Is Cotto Smarter Then Margarito..???

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  1. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I don't see where either guy is really all that smart or adapting. Margarito thought he was winning the Williams fight so thats why it took him so long to actually start working. Had nothing to do with anything else. He simply thought he was winning.

    Cotto consistently gets hit by certain punches, in particular the uppercut. Everytime Mosley went to hit Cotto with the uppercut it would land. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st or the 12th. Nobody wants to admit it but Cotto is just as oblivious to defense. He does place his punches better BUT it's at the expense of volume.
     
  2. planetzion

    planetzion Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Margarito thought he was winning?? How do you know that??....and how can you think your winning in the first half the fight...or first few rounds for that matter...throwing the fight away in the last few rounds I get (osca vs Trinidad) but what your saying doesnt make any sense...margarito lost the fight in the first half of the fight...

    The point is it was a dumb move for margarito to start slow ergo bad gameplan ....yes Cotto gets hit from time to time....but over all i still say he brings the better game plan on the night...lets not forget who isundefeated here...that saying something at least...
     
  3. RingKing

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    1.) Because Margarito even said so himself after the fight. He was in the ring, and he knew that even though Williams was throwing punches in bunches he wasn't landing effective punches.

    2.) When did Margarito ever say that was his game plan. Margarito is a notoriously slow starter, but to say that was his game plan is ludicrous. Besides, Margarito knows it is a 12 round fight, not six.

    3.) That is a very minute point. When you are a major promoter's future "star," you are brought up slow and carefully, i.e., see "The Golden Crossdresser" and "Pretty Boring Gayfeather." A major promoter's job is to make sure you become very marketable, thus you fight name fighters who have a high value based on their name. However, those same fighters represent a slight risk in beating the "star" fighter. Margarito was a nobody who fought whoever they threw in front of him because he wasn't thought of much; however, those plans changed once he started beating fighters he wasn't supposed to.
     
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  5. Pimp C

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    :lol: :rofl :lol: :rofl
     
  6. Ambition_Def

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    Margarito's own words. He stated in some interviews that he felt as though he was winning the fight. It wasn't until after he saw the fight on playback that he saw where people would have scored it for Williams. He based that on the idea that Williams had nothing on his punches and that he was hitting Williams with some hard shots. Even some of the people at ringside scored it for Margarito. Those of us who watched it on TV don't have that luxury so we scored it for all shots. Which of course favored Williams.

    I agree that he should have started fast. When he starts fast he is destructive. I think he felt as though he had no reason to respect Williams.

    As far as Cotto's defense I guess I just don't agree with most of the people on here. I think Mosley hit him plenty, so did Judah, so did Torres, Abdulaev, Corley and others. Cotto was sensational against Quintana but that also has a lot to do with styles.

    To be fair about Cotto is to recognize that some of his fights he won on sheer heart. Lesser fighters would have been stopped or knocked out. Cotto does not lack in heart but he does lack in defense. Maybe like Margarito that is by design. Either way it's going to make for a terrific fight.
     
  7. Pimp C

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    How can you think you are winning when you are losing the first six rounds cleanly...a blind man could see it. If he actually thought he was winning then he's dumber than I thought.
    Cotto is the smarter fighter here he's shown more versatility in the ring with his fight against Mosley being the best example.
     
  8. Ambition_Def

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    Don't forget you are sitting in front of your TV watching the fight. You don't exactly know the difference in the punches and how they sound. That was a big influence on ringside scoring and in Margarito's own mind. Most of the people at ringside agree that Margarito's punches were much harder and much louder.

    Please explain this point. You say he showed versatility. How did he show versatility?
     
  9. Pimp C

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    He showed movement in the last rounds against Mosley and was able to win rounds by doing so.
     
  10. Ambition_Def

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    Movement? You mean like being pinned against the ropes? I don't know if I'd call that versatility. He was still flat footed trading punches with Mosley in those last two rounds.
     
  11. TFFP

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    Of course Cotto is smarter. Cotto has had his weaknesses, especially defensively, and he's worked on them and ironed out most of his flaws. That is a smart fighter. Margarito makes the same damn mistakes he always made with his lumbering approach to cutting off the ring and porus defence.

    If I had to put money on who will show their cerebrel powers in there, it would be Cotto every single day of the week
     
  12. Pimp C

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    Yes he had excellent movement and was sticking and moving scoring and he won rounds. Margo does the same thing every fight come forward and try and outwork his opponent. His abililty to cut off the ring is horrible as well.
     
  13. Ambition_Def

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    What fight are you basing this on?
     
  14. Caper

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    Bull****....you saw what you wanted to see, I imagine most fans have favoring eyes that seemingly cloud reality and this is a pure example of it. :yep
     
  15. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I don't favor Mosley. I wish he were retired. So much for your idea of what I want to see.

    I believe that if you cannot accept Cotto is a vunerable boxer/puncher then it is YOU who cannot see the truth.