Is Crawford really in the same class as Floyd? Or is he more Cotto, McGirt, Meldrick, and Benitez

Ability, accomplishments, head to head

 

Joey I know we've had this conversation many times but I don't see how you believe that honestly.

Mayweather's resume is far superior to Crawford's resume.

And whilst you may have an argument in regards to H2H ability. I don't think Crawford is proven enough against top quality fighters to put him on the same level as Mayweather H2H as it stands today.

 

McGirt and Marquez are as good as Floyd for pure boxing ability, Crawford is not quite there level for “skill” IMO.

 

Orlando Saldio is not Lomachenko's level, but he beat him

Maidana is not Mayweather's level but he almost beat him (the first time). You can beat people who are more skilled than you if you have some tangible advantages.

 

Doesn't have the resume to confidently say he's on the level of a Floyd, but I'd still say he's above Cotto, Mcgirt, Taylor and maybe level with Benitez.

As much as everybody downplays the Spence performance because of Spence's crash, Errol was still a unified welterweight champion who in his last two fights although he'd had concerning moments, still mostly dominated his world level opponents. Outpointed D. Garcia and so far is the only man to have stopped Ugas. Crawford was 35 and even with Spences crash most still expected the fight to be competitive. Crawford completely and utterly destroyed Spence, making him look like a bum. Do any of the mentioned guys have a win as brutally dominant as that against somebody of comparable accomplishments and level to Spence, in a fight that was still considered a 50/50 going into it?
Off the top of my head I don't think so. Maybe Floyd over Corrales?

The Spence win doesn't elevate him to Floyd level necessarily but it has to count for something. Outside of Floyd, nobody mentioned was ever as dominant in their era as Crawford has been. His first loss will likely be at 37 years old, in his 5th weight class, at 39-0, a 4 weight world champ, undisputed in two weight classes, having jumped up two weight classes to fight a naturally bigger and younger man with more pro experience than him.

 

Almost impossible to say how good Crawford is really. I know that may seem ridiculous as he is undefeated, but we still don't know anything about him.
Crawford is 37 years of age. That used to be ancient by boxing standards, and what it really means is there is nobody to fight anymore.

When you have to match a welterweight with a guy who's been fighting at Lt. Heavy in order to make a "superfight", that tells you how pathetic the sport of boxing has become.

 

I specifically left out resume

If Crawford beats Canelo (which I don't think he will) his resume is on the same level as Mayweather

 

I agree with the second part

Boxing is desperate for big fights to the point where we just don't even regard weight classes or even experience that we have Crawford vs Canelo, Charlo vs Canelo, Fury vs Ngannou, Anthony Joshua vs Ngannou. All of Jake Pauls fights especially the Mike Tyson fight

Boxing is such a joke now

 

Crawford low key is on the same level as May weather and don't be shocked when he stops Canelo.

 

Maybe I should say, Crawford looks like a very talented fighter. Fast hands, can move, can punch. It's not a fault of his that there isn't anyone for him. My point is more that I just can't compare him against greats of the past. Doesn't mean he couldn't have beaten some of them, but his career doesn't have a lot of meat between the bread.
Now had he come along in the 90s when there was a big cast of characters like Chavez, Whitaker, Trinidad, Oscar, Quartey, Mosley.... we would all know a lot more about him. At least to me, that's how it feels. Unfortunately boxing has went downhill and things like MMA have gotten more popular, (not sure why).
I know every generation says the same thing, but for me, once the Mayweather and Pacquiao era started, the herd had gotten thinned out at that point and it's never improved since. I guess every generation wants their champ to be "the man".

 

Not really because an old Mayweather already beat Canelo very easily.

Is Canelo really any better now than he was then ?

I mean Canelo has started looking his age in recent years he hasn't a stoppage win in 4 years.

 

Yes this Canelo is harder to beat for Crawford or Mayweather

This is at 168 pounds

Mayweather would have a less than 5% chance of beating this version of Canelo

 

It really is a tough one to answer. Can only really judge him off his body of work which is still unblemished regardless of how you view his resume. Hes got a resume of wins which i find some underrated and some overrated. Should he beat Canelo, i think we are talking about a all time great, should he lose to Canelo even at 20lbs over his natural Welterweight build, i think it will still stain his legacy simply for the fact we seen a much smaller Floyd deal with Canelo with such ease albeit a much different version of Canelo and a different weight class altogether but them differences will be irrelevant in the eyes of the public as they will only see it as Floyd beat Canelo and Terence didnt.

3x undisputed.
Beating his biggest Rival of his era in Spence in devastating fashion.
Moving up to Super Middleweight to beat a legend in boxing.
17-0 in World Title fights(Potentially 18) with 14 stoppages.
Plenty of Solid names on his resume, as i said some underrated and some overrated due to timing of their careers.

Taking all this into account, if he was to retire today, 41-0 4 weight world champion 2x undisputed. I think his legacy will be viewed fairly similar to that of Joe Calzaghe. Like Joe, had he started his career 5-10 years earlier, you would imagine he would have fought some greater opponents, the opponents he did fight would have been closer to their primes rather than closer to retirement, vast array of world title fights and defences, but there will always be questions about the resume. Also like Joe, beat everything that was put in front of him.

Thats my take on it anyway, id love to have seen Joe in the Benn/Eubank/Collins/Jones mix leading into the opponents of his era just like i would have liked to have seen Terence in with a blend of early 2000s 2010s Welterweight/Lightweights in Cotto/Hatton/Manny/JMM leading into less battle worn versions of Thurman/Porter/Spence/Brook. And of course, had he been successful, It could very well have been Floyd vs Terence