Is current Wladimir better than the Wladimir who lost to Sanders?

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  1. derrick

    derrick 6ft4 215 bring it on Full Member

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    He is no better and his chin is no better. Those same shots Sanders land would still knock Wlad out. He cheats now with his new grab and jab style. Wlad is scared to death to get hit. That was funny as hell when he was hold even little Chambers. Steward had to beg him to punch. WLad is a chicken **** that fights scared.
     
  2. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sanders was dangerous for 2 rounds. All Wlad has to do in a rematch is moving away from the punches, ty Sanders up. Wlad´s footwork today is much better. Throwing jabs and moving.

    If you look the Sanders fight, Wlad was wide open by throwing a left hook against a southpaw, this was a big mistake. In a rematch with Steward in his corner Wladimir would do much better and he would have won by TKO.

    Ibragimov was faster and better than Sanders. Wladimir was careful and Ibragimov could not land a punch. Before Steward Wladimir always was open when he throws punches. Today he has much better defence and Wlad knows how to move in the ring so the opponent cannot catch him.

    What is absolut funny, before Sanders win over Wlad, the most boxing experts believe Sanders had a glass jaw because he was knocked out by Tyson´s sparrings partner Nate Tubbs.
     
  3. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You always post your opinion as a given fact, which off course it is not.
    You try to imply that Wlad vs Ibraghimov was the same scenario Wlad vs. Sanders 2 would´ve been, simply because both Sanders and Ibraghimov were southpaws and in your opinion Ibraghimov were faster and better than Sanders, which i doubt. Ibraghimov may have had the quicker feet in retreat, but all his quickness didn´t help him, cause he didn´t have the offensive arsenal and power to take advantage of it. Nor did he have the size. Now Sanders is completely different. He´s fighting in a do or die style and that makes him a much more dangerous opponent. As i said, i wouldn´t say he would win 10 out of 10, but his chances of beating Wlad are much better than those of Ibraghimov. Absolutely nonsense comparison.
     

  4. ROFL HOLY **** YOU KNOW ABOUT NATE TUBBS.


    GOD DAMN

    Ya Nate Tubbs was funny as ****. He did KO Sanders. that fight was harilous
     

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  7. rapidfire

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  8. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad does well against most styles, he just needs an approach he can stick to. He worked things out against do or die-slugger Sam Peter and against speed and power-fighter Haye. I think he would work something out against Sanders as well. Sanders is not that skilled, really.
     
  9. rapidfire

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    Do or die slugger Sam Peter was much slower than Sanders and he didn´t have his quick hands.



    And for Haye, yes speed and power, but he lacked the do or die attitude, that´s why he lost.



    Sanders is a mixture of Peter and Haye and that´s what you need to beat Wladimir.
     
  10. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People are convinced this or that fighter is gonna ice Wlad, because Sanders did. Then Wlad does a number on said fighter, and we are to read explanations to why they are not as god as that flabby golfer.

    Sanders was a journeyman. Flattening Wlad was about his only accomplishment in the sport. He is far, far below both Haye and Sam Peter.

    Leading up to the fight Sam Peter had a better resume than Sanders, and he had more power and much better chin. As we saw in the fight he had the speed to close the distance. Wlad was floored three times, but unlike the Sanders fight he did not break down mentally. Thats why he won.

    Haye is superior to Sanders in virtually every appartment. Taking shots to land your own is **** boxing, and works to Wlads advantage. Haye made it hard for Wlad to land, and made several attempts to dive in. He tried over and over again. Wlad was just to slick for him that night. Crazy defence. Someone must have hypnotized him to believe he was black or something ...
     
  11. rapidfire

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    I don´t think this is a fair assessment. Just look what Sanders almost did to Rahman. Guy had a lot of talent and natural ability, but unfortunately not the right dedication.







    More power and a better chin, but not the speed of Sanders, that´s why he couldn´t get the job done.







    Haye made attempts to land one punch but he didn´t follow up on it. He just didn´t have the confidence, he fought scared. Compare Haye´s manner of fighting Wlad with Sanders and it is obvious. Sanders was there to fight, full of confidence, taking chances. Sanders didn´t think about maybe getting stopped. Now you can´t say the same about Haye.
     
  12. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good point, but there are a lot of "almost" in boxing.

    Correction: he could not get the job done because Wlad boxed him. Wlad did not box Sanders. He paniced.

    Haye had the confidence to fallow up. But the gameplan was to do so only if the first punch landed which happened only twice. First time Wlad moved away from Hayes assult, second time he did his octopous routine. Haye and Booth had stared themselfes blind on the Sanders loss and tried to do precisely what he did.

    I think Haye, at this point in Wlads career, was a bigger threat than a prime Sanders would have been. Sanders do or die-style can very well work against him. He lacks the speed and accuracy of Haye. This is just an opinion, though. No way to prove it.
     
  13. rapidfire

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    The difference in Speed between Sanders and Peter is obvious. If Peter had Sanders kind of speed, i´m pretty sure he would´ve gotten the job done.



    As for Sanders do or die style, yes, off course it could work against him, that´s why i tell you i would´nt say that Sanders would make it 10 out of 10 against Wlad. But with that attitude his chance of stopping Wlad is much higher.
     
  14. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolut right with Emanuel Steward in his corner Wlad can win against all types of boxers. He shows this in the last 8 years.
     
  15. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I following boxing for a longer time.:hi:

    Sanders was seen by many boxing experts as a "glass jaw boxer". Without his win against Wladimir nobody would talk about him. He lost to Rahman too.