Is Danny Garcia still relevant to the Welterweight division?

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  1. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    LOL, while I rate him a bit higher than you do, I use to mixed up both as well. When I saw Mikey box again, I knew there was a significant difference between the two.
     
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  2. LitoCandela

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    I brought up Thurman because people say Garcia would get wiped out by Spence/Crawford. Thurman is just as good as those guys and he had a close fight with Garcia. Thats just logic.

    I like GGG.
    GGG broke B.Hops record of MW defenses yet to lesser opponents. He never unified the belt and lost TWICE to his arch nemesis in Canelo. Thats how he'll always be remembered. Chill.
     
  3. 120-108

    120-108 New Member banned Full Member

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    The Welterweight division is overrated because it's the only American dominated division - that's a fact.

    It's my opinion- But I know in myself it's the truth - Look at who he has struggled to beat/needing gifts. Look at his attributes- he doesn't have speed or power or skills above average, there's nothing top level there at all.

    Anyone who says 'Danny is a A Level fighter' and seriously mean it must be off their ****ing marbles! hilarious!!
     
  4. LitoCandela

    LitoCandela Active Member Full Member

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    I never rated him A.
    It looks like you lost your marbles. You just got here bro, relaaaax.
     
  5. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    *yawn*

    another know-it-all.... great:duh
     
  6. 120-108

    120-108 New Member banned Full Member

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    There's no way Thurman is just as good as Spence and Crawford. If/When Crawford/Spence face Thurman/Porter/D Garcia - you will see the BIG GAP between the top tier and the 2nd tier trust me. Just look at Spence vs Peterson in comparison to Danny Garcia vs Peterson for a clear example of levels.

    Hopkins hardly faced murderers row at middleweight! LOL. On paper it was 1 draw 1 loss actually, But it really should have been 1 win 1 loss, he clearly won the first fight.
     
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    It's funny how Danny Garcia gets overrated on here yet Kell Brook gets underrated.
    Yet Brook beat Porter, and Danny Garcia lost to Porter.. yet Garcia is elite and Brook is a bum according to people on here!
     
  8. dangerousity

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    Khan is severely underrated. He has 1 weakness and that’s chin, other than that, he could probably outbox anyone.

    The guy has an impressive resume compared to today’s current fighters. Maidana, Algieri, Alexander, malignaggi, judah, Diaz, collazo.

    Not the best but definitely isn’t bad at all. Definitely better than all the names you just listed.
     
  9. kirk

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    I am not a fan of Garcia. Am usually rooting against him... but... taking a close L to Thurman, and being in a bad styles matchup with Porter... and being two levels below Spence and Crawford, doesn't make him irrelevant.

    Hes a high level, relatively big named gatekeeper, and is good enough to give all but maybe 3 guys plenty of problems.

    imo... gatekeepers dont get enough credit. They are hardly irrelevant.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    They'd give him a good fight, but I doubt any of them would KO him, not saying its a guarantee Danny beats them, I'd say they're 55-45 in Danny's favor.

    As far as Theophane goes, he can be tricky enough to make less seasoned boxers look average, and that was early in Danny's career, Danny has a tendency to turn off in matches, that's always been present, but the post-Khan/Morales Danny would have handled him far easier.
     
  11. kirk

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    His weakness is a lot more than just his chin.

    I rate his lack of IQ as almost as big a weakness as his chin.

    If he had even a upper mid tier level of boxing IQ, his chin wouldnt be the problem that it is.

    But anyways, I digress. I just see that Khan line quite a bit... where his only weakness is his chin, and its just not the case.
     
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  12. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There’s nothing majorly wrong with his boxing IQ. He just has the wrong style, he likes to throw combinations and stay too long.

    He didn’t particularly do anything wrong in the Prescott and Canelo fights. The Garcia fight was more roaches fault, Garcia ko’d morales with the same shot yet roach doesn’t warn him and still uses the uppercuts in the pads.

    He had a weak chin, that’s it. Nothing wrong with his boxing IQ. Give him an opponent who doesn’t have 1 shot KO power and he shines, look at Alexander, judah, collazo fights. What happened to to his terrible IQ then cos he sure looked smart outboxing the gel out of them there.
     
  13. kirk

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    I dont really have the time to break your post down but Ill say this... when you lose by stoppage because you repeatedly try throwing too many punches, stay too long in the pocket, and dont enhance the subtle dimensions to your game that strengthen and supplement the standard speed boxing style, yes... its an IQ problem.

    When your 'style' is the reason you are getting caught with counters you should never be getting caught with, again... and again... and again.. yes... thats an IQ problem.

    As for him having solid wins where he overmatched his opponents, I think youre being a bit too impressed with the significance of those victories and the meanings behind them. Khan is a speed boxer... he beat most of his opponents by having magnitudes higher raw physical attributes (speed)... overmatching opponents with elite level speed boxing is not 'outboxing them' the way youre trying to mean it... and even if it did (it doesnt), again... outboxing B and C level opponents doesnt mean you dont have an IQ weakness, relative to the world stage..

    If someone has 10 fights... and they have 6 fights where their IQ doesnt cost them the fight, and 4 that it does, logic doesnt hold that you point to the 6 fights and say "see... his IQ is fine."

    Anyways....to each their own. Youll believe what you will. But its quite obvious to me watching him train and fight that he lacks the IQ to be at the level his physical talent should have him at.

    If you kept Khans chin, but gave him a legit good boxing IQ... he would never lose to Garcia, and hed have but a fraction of the knockdowns in his career.

    But again... thats just my view.