Is David HAYE an ALL TIME Top 5 Cruiser...???

We know your feelings on Haye and you make that clear on every thread about him, you obviously hate the guy and have made this thread to further disparrage his carrer.


Thats your choice but certain things can't be denied

-he was by far the dominant fighter in the 200 ilb division

-he walked through the cruiser in 22 fights koing 20 of them 1 loss in his 10th fight

-he was the wbc, wba, wbo lineal and ring champ in just 22fights

He fought anyone and didn't duck anyone in the division, old uss did mention haye until he moved up to heavy :deal

David Haye is an exciting fighter to have move into the heavyweight division and finaly give it the kick up the arse it needs. Yes he may run his mouth, but i bet if you were him you would be saying probably exactly the same things. Of course he is going to be chasing wlad, have you never seen footage of Ali hounding liston even to the mans house ffs.

He did call the other hw's in genral fat and lazy, and your problem with that is what how many of them come out looking like well conditioned come fight time ?????

If haye was a yank he would be a national hero by now, you don't have to like the guy you don't have to even watch him fight no one is forcing you to.

In fact you don't even have to make up threads about him, you dont even have to write about him if don't like him that much.

:thumbsup

 

He won 1 fight against a gassing 35 yr old champ to "unify", and has only ever fought 22 times in the division. He lost one of those to an ancient journeyman. He only ever made one title defence against a man who was ranked 5 to 10 in the division.

He only ever fought 2 top ten ranked guys. To me that does not sound like an outstanding legacy or achievement at cruiser. The fact that people have to harp on about Euro titles is testament to it's weakness.

 

it may not be about the money in this thread but the money and the glamour is at HW. even the current incarnation of HW. also Haye was having weight issues.

 

Evander Holyfield.


And Haye should have done it too. Or atleast attempted.
Especially with that mouth of his.

 

He fought 2 top ten ranked guys at cruiser. In my book that is not cleaning out a division. He beat a ageing champ, and Enzo trinket owner. I'm not saying that he couln't have not cleaned out the division, but the fact is that he didn't.

 

Well, being the P4P Best of All Time would encompass being the best CW ever.

 

I see you cut out my post, and tottaly ignored the main body as in his resumee for a fighter of just 22 fights to do what he has done is impressive. :good

 

Haye is probably up there in the top 5 cruisers of all time.

But he had an opportunity to do something special and possibly put himself on par with Holyfield.

And he didn't take advantage of that.

 

Bubba if you had followed david hayes career you would know its not a problem with fight the cruisers, its more of a problem fighting with the scales.

He wasn't going to even fight enzo because he was struggling so badly to make 200ilb, so after the mormec fight he had to go straight back into training to keep his weight down. That is one of the main reason for his move to heavyweight, he isnt a cruiser blowing up to heavy, he was heavy killing himself to make cruiserweight.

 

yes i think so, holyfield is number one by a country mile but i think haye stakes a very good claim for top 5, toney may be put above him cant think of many more tbh

 

I read that Haye was having difficulty making weight for the Mormeck fight.

But soon after the Maca win, Haye supposedly said he had no trouble making 200 lbs and that he only made it appear that way to get a big payday from Warren.

With so much gossip and rumours, It's often difficult to dicipher what is true and what is made up. And trash talking like Haye's, doesn't make things easier.

Someone on this thread mentioned that Haye's main motivation to move up is purely financial.

Anyways, now that Haye is in the heavyweight division, I hope he keeps his word and fights the best & doesn't end up being a cherry picker.

 

Just look at the opposition Haye has faced in his 22 fights so far, he is not a 'cherry picker'. He matches himself tough. If he fights Johnson, and it is still an IF, then it will be because Johnson was the best opponent who was able and willing to make the November date without wanting ridiculous money to do so.

 

I kind of agree with that in the sense that the belts were already unified by another when he won his first title fight.I know he still had to win,but somebody else did the unifying.
Its not like Holy (at CW),Tyson,Hopkins etc who did the unifying dirtywork themselves.
I see unifying belts yourself as more impressive than inheriting them ...I mean even the likes of Leon Spinks can do that on a lucky night.