Is David Haye skilled enough.......

BoxingFan2010 · Jun 8, 2011

Jack said: ↑

Honestly, I don't think the fight will go long enough for stamina to play a part. I don't see it going 5 rounds.
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I figure six rounds at most

BoxingFan2010 · Jun 8, 2011

madballster said: ↑

Remember though that unlike vs. Barrett and Ruiz in this fight Haye will have a serious reach disadvantage.

Vs. Barrett and Ruiz Haye could stand in the distance and wait for them to come forward at him, then Haye was able to pick his shots while countering them with little risk of being hit himself.

Against Wlad Haye will constantly be out of range while being with range of Wlad's jab and long straight right. Wlad won't need to make a step forward to get into range to land his shots (like Ruiz had to).

I understand Haye's idea may be to dodge Wlad's shots, then make a quick step forward and land a punch or two. It's the only plan that works for Haye IMO but timing and accuracy will have to be spot on while Wlad must be completely careless.
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Good point :good

BoxingFan2010 · Jun 8, 2011

Wald KO within 6 rounds. My prediction

BoxingFan2010 · Jun 8, 2011

gooners!! said: ↑

Avoiding the jab isn't the only thing Haye has to do imo, he has to avoid it AND start his offense, cause its no good avoiding it, but not getting anything done offensively. Parrying, blocking the jab, wont win rounds.

What waiting does though, is applies mental pressure to the guy who's fighting off the backfoot. Pressure to lead off before you get maneuvered into a vulnerable position in the ring, where by the opponent will look to step in and get off when he sees you in those vulnerable spots, and from what I've seen, Wlad seems pretty effective at cutting the ring off.

I thought Wlad set Byrd up for his power hand, that, that was a part of his strategy, I'm sure, somewhere, I heard Steward say said something like that.

I wouldn't say Stewart isn't a great tactician, he had McCall working on countering Lewis's right hand throughout their training camp, and we know how that worked out, Lewis got countered by a left hook right hand. Steward gave Holyfield the blue print to beat Bowe, and recently, laid out a perfect strategy for Cotto to beat Foreman(pressure from behind the jab, whilst cutting the ring down), now Foreman is no great shake obviously, but he did have height and reach, used lots of lateral movement, which needed combating.

What I would worry about if I were Haye, is that Stewart seems know how to set traps with specific punches, to anticipate which way your going to move/bend, in order to walk you into a punch, he also seems to knows how to exploit where! you hold your hands, how your weight is distributed etc.

One of the first things Stewart did with Cotto, was to adjust his stance, as Cotto was leaning in too much, making himself a sucker for the uppercut, and if you watch the Margo-Cotto fight, one of the combo's Margo had success with, was uppercutting with the left hand to jar Cotto's head up out of his gloves, then the booming right hand over the top.

I have a different take on how Stewart harnessing the strengths of his fighters, I think one of the reasons Stewart's top fighters like Lewis and Wlad have had so much success, is because the game plan makes it viable to maximize their strengths.

Jermain Taylor is just not a mentally strong person imo. Stewart even said, that he would send him out with instructions, and he would try to execute for the first 30 seconds, then go back to what he was doing. Do you remember how Steward would tear a strip off him in the corner to illicit a positive response, only for him to continue to do the same thing?
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Excellent post :good

Sunchild78 · Jun 8, 2011

Lesser men have done it and they were not as fast as Haye. So I say Haye does have what it takes to take the big guy out.

Jack · Jun 8, 2011

madballster said: ↑

Remember though that unlike vs. Barrett and Ruiz in this fight Haye will have a serious reach disadvantage.
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I believe it's only 3", so I wouldn't say it's too important.

kelics · Jun 8, 2011

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