Is David Tua overrated ?

You’re right.
Just look at the Golota, Ruddock and Grant fights.

 

there is no one more idiot than who writes in yellow so that his messages stand out and attract attention.

 

Indeed - and when you feel the need to point that out, it should tell you something about the level that you're dealing in, to prop up a case for Tua beating Louis.

 

Based on watching both men on film and coming to my own conclusions regardless of historical bias.

Does Mike Perez hit harder than Earnie Shavers? By your line of thought it'd have to be seriously considered.

 

Absolutely nothing on film from Max Baer touches Tua's best KOs. As for his lost or never filmed stoppages that'll have to forever remain a matter of speculation, neither propping him up nor tearing him down.

 

Pick any decent puncher of the past thirty years and they'll likely have more impressive KOs on their rostrum than Baer. If you want HWs that have killed more than two people in the ring then you might be out of luck, unless you trawl backyard boxing shows in Chechnya or somewhere like that.

 

What level are you talking about? The one that struggles to MDs against hopeless journeymen or the one that knocks out a former and a future HW champion unconscious in under twenty seconds?

When you're dealing with Tua you have to take both extremes into account.

 

I am not biased, Baer looks extremely powerful in footage we have. There is nobody much more powerful than him.

I don't get your point, could you elaborate?

 

So stopping big and durable man in one round in spectacular fashion is not close to what Tua did? I see historical bias, but it's not from my side!

 

He'd knock out Rocky Marciano.

 

Like who?

Do you think the same about all pre-1960s fighters?

 

The one that isn't good enough to win a world title, is woefully outclassed by the one elite opponent he faces and regularly demonstrates his ability to be out-boxed by lower-level opposition.

Yes, but to what extent do you lean towards one extreme or the other?

A puncher's chance is always a consideration; especially in Heavyweight Boxing, but it does not merit an equal value, when factored along with other attributes - which a boxer might need, in order to actually win rounds and decisions from the very best.

Sure, take both ends of the scale into account, if you want. However, where Tua beating All-Time Greats of the past is concerned, the scale is quite obviously weighted on the side of him struggling with modest opponents - and significantly so.

 

Correct.

Probably wrong.

Certainly.

 

I am not sure that there are two extremes to be honest.

He was spectacular against sub par opposition, and typically lost when he came up against somebody in the top ten.

Seems a pretty consistent pattern to me!

 

So it's "eminently" fair to judge Tua on his losing effort against Lewis?

How many pre-Liston heavyweight title holders would have become champ, if their only shot at glory came against the Lewis who defeated Tua?