Is De La Hoya overated?

Oh, please do. That would be an excellent idea!

 

Good response.

 

Frazier and Liston will surprise you.

Joe Frazier 10-4 (9-4 if you don't count Foster)
Sonny Liston 8-4

 

So an Oscar fan then Oscar just wasn't that good, I thought Quartey beat him clearly, Whitaker was closer but he just wasn't that effective, close though.

Against Trinidad he landed more punches but was continually on the backfoot and only working for 30seconds of a round not to mention his opponent lands the better punches, he's losing all the effective aggression scoring. He also kissed goodbye to the championship rounds, now I think he should got the verdict but it's not making it clear to the judges. Against Mosley 2 again he lost the championship rounds and arguably the second half of the fight but probably built up enough points, still pretty close but again backing up and shipping the bigger punches. Any judge favouring effective aggression gives the fight to Mosley. No way is Mosley 2 more clear of a robbery than Quartey, except for the cheerleading commentators

Mayweather retired at 30, then in his comeback he fights the guys he was supposedly avoiding in Mosley/Cotto. Those 2-4years he took to fight Cotto and Mosley is pretty much the same amount of time it took Delahoya to fight Trinidad and Quartey after his Whitaker win. For the wrongs and rights of it, Pacquaio turned down a blood test and 50% to face Mayweather in '09. That's a far better offer than De La Hoya ever offered Winky Wright, 6 million, and is a better offer than Mayweather himself got against DLH, 35%.

Hopkins wasn't the strongest but is much better than you make out. He was 38 for Delahoya at a 157lb catch weight btw. Not to mention he'd go onto beat Winky Wright, Tarver, and arguably Joe Calzaghe (at 43) after that.

Both are easily greater than Delahoya

KO'd or quit?

 

DLH vs Mosley rematch was a dire fight compared to the excellent first one.

Oscar putting on an uninspiring exhibition of mobile boxing that would have been lucky to contain someone like Hard **** Green, and Mosley shuffling forward throwing one bomb at a time with all the imagination of your average heavyweight journeyman.Except they usually at least have a good jab.

Oscar should have got the decision though.


I thought Oscar quit against Hopkins as well.His theatrical reaction sealed it.

 

I agree. Two mates making a lot of money together. Flashy but painless flurries from Oscar then a nothing 'liver shot' that no one can claim is anything less than deadly, like calling in sick to work with a 'bad back'.

 

Great post, I totally agree. The problem isn't Oscar, it's the expectations of fans.

 

I think Oscar (or Mayweather Sr) figured he was better off boxing Mosley though. Mosley pressure wasn't particularly refined but I actually liked the bull metador nature of it myself, at least better than Tito-DLH, which maybe the worst super fight in history

I was actually asking about the liver shot, I'm not sure myself because liver shots are deadly, especially to older boxers typically. I reckon I'd have a glass liver myself after all my drinking

 

Well it's brutal I imagine, so much so that you could pass off one that looked as aesthetically weak as B-Hops to Oscar did. And what can anyone say? Soar you were play hurting? Because fact is if youget hit there it hurts, whether it's a rib breaker like Hatton-Castillo or what Hopkins hit Oscar with.

He may have been in excruciating pain. Didn't look like it, but what do I or any of us speculating on it actually know?

 

The more I look at it the more solid it looks, 1 way or another Hopkins was starting to ragdoll him for the stoppage. The most hilarious part of it is BHOPs grandad run because he runs in his boxing stance

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylWFE_HhVjI&feature=relmfu[/ame]

Hopkins supposedly mentions the liver shot in the interview (no sound for me)

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Ironic isn't it that DLH said 'black guys can't take it to the body'

 

Personally, I would have to have a LOT to go on before I claim that someone like DLH quit. Just because he looked "theatrical"? Don't know how many who claim that have actually got hit with acccurate liver shots they didn't see coming, but it hurts badly. Those short body blows in close, below the opponent's line of vision, are the most effective. Much more so than for example Foreman's whaling on a Ali in Zaire.

Many on this forum are way to eager to say that this fighter quit and that one didn't give it a go in the first place. I think they are wrong in the vast majority of cases, plain don't know what they're talking about.

 

Hey, in my defence I did say everything you said and noticed the flaws in that argument when presenting it!