Is De La Hoya overated?

Forrest and Quartey are as good welterweights, and Wright is a better 154 fighter, but don't forget that DLH probably is probably a more natural 140 pounder.

At 140 pounds, I think DLH is better than all the guys I mentioned above in their best divisions.

Oscar rarely cleared the confusion from his big fights by offering rematches, which was kind of disappointing, but he did face a lot of quality guys regardless, stage managed as his career was.

Personally I'd call him great.

Not top 50 great, but great nonetheless.

 

What we should remember is fighters who move up in weight (and maybe even lose) are defended to the death here at East Side (especially Greb, whether he deserves it or not).

I don't normally see the same for De La Hoya.

 

But you've only been here since september apparently? :think

 

Greb didn't really 'move up' so much as he simply fought Light Heavyweights and Heavyweights at very distinct weight disadvantages hovering around 160-168.

Aaron has been pissy ever since he found a lot of the forum doesn't consider Willie Pep a Top 5 ATG.

 

Okay, let me rephrase that -- since SEPTEMBER 2012, I have seen weight climbers (especially, Greb) defended to the death and haven't seen the same for De La Hoya.

I guess, the ESB landscape had a generational shift in August.

 

Stop calling my alts out Flea!

 

Are you serious? The Willie Pep, top-5 thread didn't explode on my defenses of Pep.

All we got to on there was that Pep did, in fact, fight some high level lightweights.

 

Right so you're giving Trinidad and Mosley 2 fights and saying he won Quartey and Whitaker? I think you're either a big fan or rate late round flurries highly regardless of them landing :hey I certainly had him losing to Whitaker and Quartey as many others did. For the record a judge who had him beating Quartey had him losing to Trinidad.

Forrest was on his horizon from around '98 from my recollection, nothing wrong with it not happening then obviously with the bigger fights around, but Forrest was unbeaten until '03.

Oscar certainly isn't better than Forrest, Winky & Ike. Quartey outboxed him for about 9 rounds, Forrest did far better in 2 fights with Mosley as did Winky

Anyway I'd rank Mayweather and Hopkins above Delahoya by a margin, they're just allot better boxers for various reasons

 

The first statement I'd go with but I think Oscar's best weight was 140 or 147, he weighed in '97 around 160lbs in the ring in some fights though so I think 147 was probably his most comfortable weight, which is why from the age of 24 onwards he fought there and was never the smaller man at that weight. His comp from 135-140 wasn't great, there were no great tests for him in those fights

As for top30, top50, I suppose you could make a case for about 200 boxers, it's all subjective

 

But we already knew that. You got sore over a sarcastic Ike Williams reference in response to something you said in a post and wouldn't let it go. You think I don't catch **** about Burley regarding Robinson on here? It's pretty light hearted stuff.

 

MUCH more talented than given credit for these days.

One of the best pure talents that we've ever had.

 

First, let me make it clear, I went back to check that thread right now -- and only then, I know it was you who posted about Ike Williams.

I didn't catch the sarcasm the first time and after you told me you being sarcastic I immediately dropped the tension. (Not like I was cussing up a storm in the first place.) I asked you about Angott in a completely un-hotsile manner.

How did that conversation hold a grudge with you this long? We shared about 4 posts with each other they weren't even hot.

 

The size difference in some of his early fights was ridiculous.

He never looked like a natural 140 pounder to me.

More like a natural welter fighting at lower weights.

 

Aaron,

There are maybe a few thousand people on the entire planet who care or even have the slightest clue about what's discussed on this forum. There are no grudges.