Is Dempsey/Willard the Most Overrated Victory Ever?

Viagra ? What weight does he fight at ?

 

Yours

 

mythologized maybe but i dont see it being rated higher than it should be. when it comes to rating the best heavyweight wins ever i think we would come up with fights like frazier-Ali 1, Schmeling-Louis 1, Ali-foreman, foreman-frazier 1, douglas-tyson, Louis-schemling 2 ... etc. before we mention dempsey-willard.
if you ran a thread asking best hW wins ever i really doubt many would have dempsey-Willard in their top 5. Generally the win just isn't rated that high.

but as a display of pure aggression & power and an emphatic title wining domination by a primed 'killer' it deserves to be rememberd. and thats how it is remembered

 

C, only a paronoid Dempsey hater would argue the fact that the massacre of the 260 pound Willard ,who was arguably the best chinned HW of all-time wasn't an amazing feat...I have recently read accounts of Jess Willard's fantastic ability to absorb the most powerful blows,prior to the
Toledo fight,and shake them off casually. I have read accounts of this by the great boxing writer Bob Edgren who saw Jess Willard fight large heavyweights and his great strength and set of whiskers shook off the hardest shots...I have read what young Dempsey did to Carl Morris, Gunboat Smith, Fred Fulton and others that Bob Edgren was witness to.
These accounts of those bouts were written soon after by Edgren, who was known for his great knowledge of boxing, going back to Fitzimmons, so his
opinions should be taken very seriously .
What Dempsey at 187 pounds did to Willard at 260-70 was for all those 100,000 fans,and boxing writers,a remarkable display of power and savagery never displayed before. With ONE left-hook Dempsey dropped the giant Willard,for the FIRST time in Willard's career. And Dempsey's mgr.
Jack Kearns, foolishly bet a great wad of dough,that Dempsey would ko Willard in the very first round. With this in mind Dempsey threw all cautions to the wind,and dropped Willard seven times. In any other era or heavyweight title fight Dempsey would have won by a tko after the 3rd or 4th but knockdown, but the ref Ollie Pecord foolishly let the slaughter continue....And yet today's naysayers who despise the name of Dempsey
are now saying 90 years later,"so what",who was Jess Willard?...Well Jess Willard, slow that he was had probably the best chin ever for a HWT.
Jack Johnson at Havana bounced dozens of powerful blows off Willards chin and body for 25 rounds with no effect until big Jess ,sensing Johnson was tiring [26th round] went on the offensive and flattened Johnson with one right cross.
As I have posted before the great Joe Louis hit lumbering Abe Simon with
every punch in the book, but Simon lasted to the 13th round before the ref stopped the bout...Ali threw everything at Chuvalo, Frazier, Bonavena,and others without even dropping them, and he is never criticized for his lack of power as well. But Jack Dempsey ,who murdered Jess Willard in one rd flooring him 7 times in 1919 ,weighing 187 pounds , flattening Carl Morris, Gunboat Smith, Fred Fulton, in short time,still get's the shaft by some posters, but a Louis, Ali and others somehow escape their wrath...Cheers...

 

Very CUTE S. If you would get over your Dempsey bashing, and realize that
CONCEIVABLY there were some people of the PAST as knowledgable as you,we could have an intelligent dialogue. For your information the great writer Bob Edgren was born in 1874. He boxed some with Fitz and others.
Was considered the premier boxing writer, was friendly and friends with Fitz,Jeffries, Langford, Jeannette, Jess Willard, Harry Wills, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Sharkey, Tunney, Schmeling,Max Baer, and Joe Louis whom he held in high esteem.... What Bob Edgren saw and experienced was I believe on a par with your vast knowledge of the sweet science....Read some of this man's works S, you'll learn something....Cheers...
P.S. I believe Joe Louis was a REAL HEAVYWEIGHT ! :hi:

 

I don't see how Willard has the best chin ever now

 

This ****ing over rating. Jesus Christ just calm the **** down and people would have a much more balanced opinion on Dempsey. Blatant, blatant bias.

 

S,now your feeling your OATS !:hi:

 

it was a good chin. gloves during that era were often 3oz in the knuckles and 2oz in the wrists. UFC fighters cant seem to hold a shot well with the gloves they use yet the willard era boxing gloves had less protection.

 

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Mc,"methinks you doeth protest too much". Why not admit the obvious...
What Jack Dempsey did to Carl Morris, Gunboat Smith, Fred Fulton,and of course the 260 pound Jess Willard at Toledo , made Dempsey the "idol of fistania" to the American public in 1919 for a simple reason...No other heavyweight before had shown such a display of savagery and punching power previously...Mc, why you whom I respect very much and I,are talking about this very topic NINETY TWO years later, if this was not ingrained in the heart's of the boxing fraternity of that time.? Just admit that if Dempsey had "outpointed "Morris, Gunboat Smith, Fred Fulton and Jess Willard we would not be discussing this subject today,almost a century later... Jack Dempsey became an icon in those harsher times, because
of not only his wins ,but the manner in which he won.
And yes I love the punchers as Dempsey, Louis, Tyson [young] were, as they put finality to their wins.... Cheers...