Is Deontay Wilder’s first win over Luis Ortiz overrated?

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I voted slightly overrated. It's probably more like overrated.

Ortiz beat no one of note and was dropped by Charles Martin and struggled/dropped by average-punching Andy Ruiz. Most likely he is harboring a glass chin IMO. His resume doesn't reflect the reality of being ducked or dangerous. That would be more like a guy like Zhang right now, who is actually low reward, high risk for any fighter. I don't think that was Ortiz during any period of his career. I mean this is a guy who labored to get through Malik Scott and Christian Hammer.

I know you can bring up Forrest (I still think he's even better than Scott and Hammer) for Zhang but Ortiz doesn't have a Joe Joyce on his resume and he doesn't have a Hrgovic type contender either. Ortiz is overrated and that tells you all you need to know about Wilder's resume.

 

I thought Wilders dub over Ortiz then was a very good win. Ortiz was obviously the better boxer, but that equalizer of Wilders changes a fight if it lands. Ortiz was a tough fight for Deontae, who had to dig deep and grind out a win

 

So here's the problem with Ortiz, which isn't exclusive to just Ortiz. A lot of guys over the last decade or two, aren't fighting the best. They are fighting journeymen, gatekeepers, and washed former contenders while avoiding each other and grabbing belts usually vacant ones or ones won over a guy who won a vacant title.

Now Ortiz is kind of a good example of this where he passes an eye test, but he hasn't passed the actual test. Jennings was his best win and probably his only win over someone who was a top ten heavy at the time (though Jennings also suffers from a similar issue as Ortiz). But a lot of guys in the before time (when fighters were more active and fought top contenders more regularly) lookef excellent sparking out journeymen, gatekeepers, and shopworn former contenders only to be found out when they went to the next level. Problem is, a lot of guys never reach the next level but will crow that they are the best and avoided. Really the networks (which are reaping what they are sowing by allowing risk averse matchmaking) should of pushed back on mismatches and near mismatches when the promoters came calling.

Anwyway, Ortiz is one of Wilder's two best wins regardless of all that u have said based on what we know. In the grand picture of things, it was a decent if unspectacular win.

 

Problem with Ortiz is that he decide to be Wilder biatch....
He try one, being thread like garbage and even then when he had other chance he choose comeback to his "master".
Second problem is that he was never on level that people try put him.
I even read opinion that he is real number 1...

Later fights show how problem was for him fighting little best opponents.

Ortiz same as Fury think that Wilder was "easy" target probably and made little mistake here.

 

Not entirely sure how great we're supposed to rate this, seeing it's just a HW titlist with a terribly thin resume beating just a top 10 ranked contender with a crappy resume himself.

 

Overrated by Wilder fans and underrated by AJ fans.

 

Yeah, it's overrated because Ortiz was about 40 at the time.
But AJ/Hearn wouldn't have taken that fight, even though they love 40-year-old opponents. The reason is that counter hook that had Wilder in big trouble.

 

Depends upon who you ask and what claims they make about it. I would pick that King Kong to KO Parker in 2018. So what does that mean?

 

2017 Anthony Joshua vs 2017 Luis Ortiz

Joshua: 6’5.5, 82 inch reach, 250 lbs, 28 years old, boxing since age 18, competed as an amateur for 45 months, controversially won the 2012 Olympics in London at SHW, 19-0 (all inside the distance, 5 in the first round), 4 years as a pro, exclusively fought in Britain and mainly in London, lost 7 rounds, knocked down once as a pro, orthodox

Ortiz: 6’2.5, 78 inch reach, 240 lbs, officially 38 years old, boxing since age 10, first recorded amateur bout in January 1998 at 178 lbs, on the Cuban national team from 2002-2008 (training with Cuban amateur greats F. Savon and Solis), won the 2005 Pan American Games in Brazil at HW, 29-0 (27 inside the distance, 8 in the first round), 8 years as a pro, fought in 8 nations and never at home, lost 3 rounds, never knocked down as a pro, southpaw

Ortiz was officially younger than Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev and Helenius when Joshua beat them. Joshua’s performances against Cubans (E. Savon), southpaws (Nistor, Cammarelle, Usyk) and Cuban-trained front foot counter punchers (Ruiz) haven’t been good, which strongly suggests that Ortiz would have been a bad stylistic matchup for him. Hence Matchroom signed the highly avoided Ortiz in 2016 in order to keep him away from Joshua, as Whyte stated.

“If I have another one of these fights, I’m done with boxing. I should be good enough that I don’t have to go through hell and back to win a fight. It should be a good competition, but I shouldn’t have to go through one of those fights to win.” - Joshua to McCracken post-Wlad

 

Ortiz displayed better power, pointfighting and defence against mutual opponents than Joyce, Pulev, Takam, Chisora, Whyte and Parker.

Ortiz was avoided by Ruiz, Whyte, Chisora, Stiverne, Chagaev, Takam, Miller, Povetkin, Joyce and Joshua. If Ortiz hadn't been very dangerous then he would have been targeted.

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It was an OK win marred by the fact that Wilder got extra time off when Ortiz had ol Deonkay's eyes rolling like marbles in his head.

 

not at all. unless you say it is one of the greatest wins ever, then you're one person overrating it.