Is Deontay Wilder a modern day Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams ?

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  1. The Malibu Mauler

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  2. Mendoza

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    Satterfield was legit KO puncher, the type Wilder avoids. If Wilder fought Liston twice, well it would be interesting while it lasts.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Fury isn't garbage. He's one of the champions, who like Wilder hasn't beaten anyone in his prime that is decent. Fury did deserve the nod over Wilder. If Wilder wins, it will be his most significant win by far, but he's still 1-1 vs. Fury in my view. He'll get some credit.

    I asked Wilder fans their opinion of Fury, and they didn't participate. Why? Because they don't think much of him, but to admit that diminishes Wilder should he win, and buries him if he should lose.

    Whomever the winner is with the " Vegas " judges " needs to fight Joshua next. Then heavyweight boxing can have a true champion.

    I still think Fury box and move. He is going for a KO, which to me is foolish. Wilder has little technique. Fury says he's coming in at 270. I think he should be 250.

    However, Andre Ward, who's a sharp cookie, thinks Fury can get to Wilder on the inside, where he doesn't have room for his wind up punches. He's not wrong, but why give a puncher who hit air often a chance to get up close?

    I am looking forward to this one.
     
  4. NoNeck

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    Are you aware of any fight where a championship changed hands when the challenger suffered knockdowns in separate rounds and it was single digit punches landed per round type of fight?
     
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  5. Mod-Mania

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    He's somewhat similar to David Tua in that he's **** easy to outbox be is super dangerous up until the final bell.
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    Groan.

    I have no idea how you came up with this comparison. They are nothing at all alike ... really in any way other than skin color.

    And Williams went the distance or failed to stop his opponents on 34 occasions, including guys who had really bad losing records.

    You may as well have compared Wilder to Terry Daniels, who Cleveland Williams couldn't stop, either.

    Deontay Wilder is an all-time great.
     
  7. dinovelvet

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    BUT if he wins Saturday he becomes greater than the likes of Big Cat , Rahman , Peters and Vitali Klitschko.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Are you saying Wilder should have won it or deserved a draw? No, he got a gift decision.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    I heard Max Kellerman say it and thought for once he's got a good one. All that needs to happen if for Wilder to get starched by a non puncher.
     
  10. NoNeck

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    Let’s say we disagree about it being a robbery.

    If you want to support your case, you should be able to find title winning efforts where the challenger examined the ceiling in two different rounds.

    If not, how are we to say that it isn’t just another case of you crying over the outcome of a fight involving a guy from a certain land mass against another from thousands of miles away?
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

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    I only gave Wilder two rounds; the 2 in which he dropped his oppenent. I haven't seen anyone give him more than 3 rounds. I do believe the term robbery is overused, especially when describing close fights that could've (or should've) gone the other way. But in this case, i feel it is definitely warranted.
     
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  13. NoNeck

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    Removing 9 and 12, 8 of the remaining 10 rounds ended with the two within 2 punches of each other. Fury outlanded Wilder by a decent margin in 3 and 10.

    Considering that boxing is scored primarily on clean, effective punching, and not sticking your tongue out, putting your hands behind your back, or "looking like you won," maybe Fury is the one who was fortunate to get a draw. Remember, fans can't score for ****.

    I already outlined how cases of guys in Fury's position winning with that type of performance are virtually nonexistent.
     
  14. Richard M Murrieta

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    Cleveland Williams in his prime was somewhat like Deontay Wilder except for the loud boasting threatening gestures and the fact that Williams did not have footwork, Wilder does. Punching power might be the same, that is why Big Cat was avoided by others during his prime except by Sonny Liston, to name a few.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

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    On the other hand, when has a champion dropped his challenger in 2 different rounds and still not gotten the victory? I'd say this is unheard of as well.