Is Deontay Wilder a modern day Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams ?

Nah, Ingo beat contenders.

 

So now Fury is a puncher? You knew Wilder would feel the weight of his punches? I didn’t read that pre fight!

I highly suspected Wilder couldn’t take a body shot, and knew he was moderately skilled at best.

Sit down Dino, I have news for you...I follow the amateur game closely. There is a strong possibility the next American champ hasn’t laced his first pair of gloves.

Not that Wilder was ring magazine or lineal champion. His fans tried to suggest he was headed there.

 

Ortiz was very old. In the 40's the Cubans say for the first fight. And he almost beat Wilder. Ortiz likely deserved his top ten rank based on being undefeated ( For the first fight ) , but I see no top ten wins for Mr. Ortiz. Wilder barely won this one. Had Ortiz been a few years younger, he defeats Wilder.

Who did Stiverene beat to be ranked so highly? The only name I see is Arreola, and I don't think he was even ranked at the time.

Stiverne was in fact KO'd by a fighter with a losing record and drew with another fighter with .500 record prior to facing Arreola. Wilder took that hype the distance.

So Stiverne he got ranked beating non ranked fighters despite a shaky past. Makes zero sense in hindsight. The re-match with Wilder was a disgrace. Stiverene was old ( 39 ) and in very poor shape. You hate to call a fighter a bum, but his performance and effort in a title was resreved for that three letter word.

So there we have it. Wilder's resume is paper thin, with his two best wins were old ( Ortiz ) or simply not that good ( Stiverene ). Neither of his best to oppoents beat a top ten actively ranked opponent by Ring Magazine. ( I think ).

This makes his recent defeat a real cofin nailer on his legacy. I'd like to see Wilder re-group and fight another top ten fight in his prime or fighter on the rise who should be there soon. Whyte, Parker, Hrgovic ( who will should ranked in the top ten shortly by Ring Magazine ) or the winner of Joyce vs. Dubois. They saw Fury vs. Wilder, and know they hit harder than Fury does, all they have to do is press Wilder and he'l go down, maybe getting up on shaky skinny legs, until the inevitable end comes. His second TKO/KO loss isn't far away if he fights anyone decent with power. Write that down.

Wilder will be remembered as a contender type or Alphabet Champion who cherry-picked his way to title defenses, fought old or never that good to begin with fighters, got very lucky draw vs. Fury, and was taken out in the re-match via butchery. Yes he was a great puncher, but that's it.

Would Wilder make my top 50 all-time heavyweight? Probably not, but Fury will. As the title of the thread suggests, he's a modern-day Cleveland Williams.

 

It's not very long, and I think you should read it as I laid it out.

Short summary, Wilder's best two wins never beat anyone actively Ring Magazine's top ten. One was old ( Ortiz ); the other ( Stiverne ) was exposed twice by a fighter with a losing record who Kod him, and another .500 fighter who drew with him prior to facing Wilder.

I do think Ortiz deserved his rank for the first fight. That's it. The Cuban's who know him say he was over 40. Yet he almost won.

The Chris Arreola factor, who wasn't even ranked at the time ( he lost to Adamek ) is a man Wilder fans better start embracing as he was the stepping stone for wins over his two best opponents ( Old man Ortiz, and a very hyped and over ranked Stiverne ) for getting ranked.

 

Ingo was far better, fundamentally speaking. If you are comparing styles, that both were right-handed punchers, without much of a left, okay, I can buy that one.

But I think the Cleveland Williams comparison is a bit better as he was a tall man in his day with a shaky chin, a long reach, and a lot power. You can say the same for Wilder. Both were born in the Southern USA. The Big Cat in Georgia, Wilder in the neighboring state of Alabama.

Once Fury sat down on his punches, Wilder could not take it early. Fury is not a puncher.

 

Yo Dubblechin,

After last night, do you think the comparison is a good one? Like I said I heard Max Kellerman say it, ( On his tv show to the Max ) and yes even a blind square can find nut. In this case Max got glasses, and now he's sometimes correct instead of mostly wrong.

After seeing Wilder outside if the Ring, I do think he's a good guy.