Is Deontay Wilder a modern day Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Feb 19, 2020.


  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just about everyone is better fundamentally speaking than Wilder, but Ingo was one of the poorer champions in terms of fundamentals. He was pretty poor at everything except that right hand and setting it up.

    Williams wasn't as one dimensional and I don't give an f about where his from. And I know that you, in your typical way, is on a quest to downgrade everything about Wilder, but I don't see anything weak about his chin. He stood up for plenty of hard shots, but he was exhausted as well as hurt. Fury did a very very good at utlising his weight against Wilder's skinny legs and also got some tasty body shots in there. It was an all around dismantling.

    But now I'm done with you. I've probably already wasted too much time on someone who's not the least bit interested in discussing and analysing, but only in pushing his agenda for or against a given fighter.
     
  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With a referee that didn’t keep the fight clean I could see Terrell giving Wilder a very hard night, since Terrell knew every dirty trick in the book and would use them if the referee let him. As much as people complain about Fury holding and hitting and rabbit punching he has nothing on Terrell, who was a master at clinching and rabbit punching.
     
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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Whatever. The Ingo comparison wasn't a good one, as he was lineal / Ring Magazine champion which is something Wilder will never be.

    I think my analyzation in this case was spot on.

    As for Wilder's chin, Fury hurt him quickly. Fury.

    Once a flawed lion who some thought was King of the jungle, gets exposed this badly, the lesser predatory animals who saw what happened will be pressing him too.

    Hanging back gives Wilder many chances to land his bomb and take fewer shots. That's not the best way to beat him. Anyone who hits harder than Fury ( which is 70% of the top 20 ) now knows all they need to do is press Wilder. He can't take their punches.

    Without a fight defining jab to keep people away, fundamentals on defense, and foot speed he's going to be Ko'd again if he fights a top contender in his prime. On top of that we don't know if he can mentally recover.

    But I'm cool moving on. We won't see anymore Wilder's an all time great posts or people defending his weak opposition or cherry picking as champion. His 15 minutes lasted over two hours thanks to top management. The show's over.
     
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  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    To answer the question the OP posted; no. That's an insult to Williams. Williams was a much better boxer and more skilled.
     
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  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Fury should go for Joshua now. And I'm not 100% sure Joshua wants it now.

    I can see world where the WBA tor WBO takes away Joshua's belt, and Wilder fighting their bogusly ranked top contender for it. Trevor Bryant is the WBA top ranked contender. What a bunch of BS. Whomever pays or ahem gives under the table laundered money with the WBA can fight the winner of Bryant vs?? Their super belt match. Maybe Joyce who is their WBA " gold " champion will fight Bryant first ( If he beats Dubois ) , with Wilder on deck.

    [url]https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-ranking#.XlKpWi2ZNTY[/url]

    I hope that does not happen, but I do have a feel of how the business of boxing works. Like I said Wilder has excellent management.

    I'd rather see Wider prove himself vs. a top ten heavy in his prime not named Fury.
     
  6. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also think Williams was the better boxer, but I don't think his punch was anything like as devastating as Wilder's.

    I am referring of course to the pre-shooting Williams.

    What the two have in common would be careful managing and hype. Wilder got up there because his big punch made him box office.

    My comparison, record wise and certainly not at all in style, would be Roland LaStarza. Careful managing and an imposing record against the second-stringers with a couple of contender wins. LaStarza has the record advantage of actually beating higher ranked contenders in Layne and Bucceroni, but also a couple of losses to lesser lights, which Wilder does not have. Both did very well against the best heavy of the era in their first go around, but were badly beaten in the rematch.

    So far Wilder's best win is Ortiz, a fringe top five guy. Not that impressive. It is likely that in retrospect his draw with Fury will be considered his career highlight. He is pushing 35, so a bad decline seems a fair guess.

    I think the style comparisons to Baer, Johansson, and Shavers are apt, but all three scored better wins.

    In fairness to Mendoza, he was more right than I was about Wilder. I picked Wilder to beat Fury. I can't blame Mendoza all that much for a bit of gloating. His evaluation of Wilder doesn't strike me as unfair at this point.
     
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  7. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I'd compare him more to Shavers although he's tougher than Shavers but the power is similarly staggering. I think there's a good case that Wilder is better though given he's put everyone down he's faced IIRC. There's some underrating of Ortiz going on, he's one of the better contenders in recent years, old or not.
     
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