is Duran overrated as a lightweight? quality of opposition?

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    Pretty sure i asked you this the other day and got no reply.

    How do you see Whitaker going against the (early) prime SRL Duran faced in back to back encounters? How do you see Whitaker going against peak 154 Benitez? Also absolute peak 154 Hearns? To top it of prime 160 Hagler as well.

    That's 5 fights. How many does Whitaker win? Duran won 1.
     
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    Heck add prime Barkley as well.
     
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  3. PernellSweetPea

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    he lost to all the elite guys he ever fought. That is a fact. Barkley was a big guy but a swinging wild guy a little, who was made for Duran. Barkley is a guy made for the fab 4 as opponents. Barkley was a bad style for Hearns who landed and left himself open, but Hearns was going to have a knockout in round 4 had he not been caught by that right hand. The fact is Duran had a mediocre lightweight reign, and was great at it, but the names are not spectacular. When he fought spectacular he lost, except for the first Ray fight. But that one fight does not make him top 10, or where would you put Ray? number one? Ray beat him easily. Benitez beat him easily. Hearns beat him easily. etc etc.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    You haven't even remotely answered the question.

    Here it is again -

    How do you see Whitaker going against the (early) prime SRL Duran faced in back to back encounters? How do you see Whitaker going against peak 154 Benitez? Also absolute peak 154 Hearns? To top it of prime 160 Hagler as well.

    That's 5 fights. How many does Whitaker win? Duran won 1.
     
  5. PernellSweetPea

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    Benitez? Very even, maybe edge Benitez. I don't see an easy fight for Benitez. With Ray again, very close. Pernell was technical..With Hearns, Whitakerloses in about 6, but not a one punch knockout.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    So even or maybe fave with Benitez at 154, even with SRL at 147, a loss to Hearns. What about Hagler?
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    Personally i don't think a lightweight dependant on slickness with very little power has a snowballs chance in hell of beating SRL nor could i see him beating the 154 pound Benitez, a real slickster himself with more power and more size. Hearns is a no brainer. Hagler less than zero chance.
     
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  8. Clinton

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    Based on what? He lost to ODLH ffs, who is inferior to those fighters at welter and 154. Im afraid youre overrating ur man. Oh wait, he should have gotten a decision over past it 147 pound Chavez, another welter thats inferior to WB, SRL and Hearns. So, based on what does Sweet Pea fare so well against those prime greats when he didnt even beat ODLH?
     
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  9. Clinton

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    Lol Sweet Pea loses to fishnets but fights Leonard close. Thanks for the laughs.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    It's that true that's almost worse than not offering him one. LOL
    Low ball offer to face a Panamanian guy in Panama after he already got away with rupturing your testicle in supposedly neutral New York .. err, no thanks.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Yes.
    My contention is not that he's undeserving of a top 3 placing at lightweight, but rather that the often stated opinion that he MUST BE top 3 (or top 2, or #2 even) is actually very debatable for the fact that his resume is not as terrific as some at the same weight.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    To be fair, the Whitaker-ODLH fight was razor close. Whitaker was 34 years old and a few years past prime.
    Duran was losing to Kirkland Laing when 31 years old.
     
  13. Clinton

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    Whitaker was 3 months shy of his 34th birthday and that fight was what, his 40th? When Duran fought Laing, that was around his 75th fight and had already fought better opposition than Sweet Pea had. Are you inferring Duran was prime when he fought Laing?
     
  14. Clinton

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    Fair enough. But the poster PernellSweetPea writes Duran was overrated because he lost to guys like prime Tommy Hearns and prime Wilfred Benitez even though when he fought them, he was 19 pounds above his best and obviously past his best as well. Thats just crazy.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    No, I'm not inferring Duran was prime.

    I'm saying they were both past their primes in those fights. I'm saying Whitaker-ODLH was a razor close disputed decision. And I'm saying, in case in needs to be said, ODLH is better than Laing.

    .... only in response to your post which seemed to be criticizing Whitaker on the basis of the ODLH fight. Just being fair.

    Whitaker was 34.