is Duran overrated as a lightweight? quality of opposition?

Fair enough, but all good in hindsight. Bizarro never beat anyone of note, but was undefeated going into that fight. He actually looked terrified and ran the whole time. He was on his bicycle and simply refused to engage. I dont see how Duran was supposed to get him out of there earlier when it looked like it was a track meet. Funny part is, im pretty certain that Bizarro had one more loss then called it a day.

 

How many former lightweights beat a welterweight as great as Sugar Ray Leonard?

 

That fight is a bit surreal actually. Duran should have had no chance against a MW of that level at that age, and Barkley started just as he should by punishing Duran to the body. How Duran could come on so strong during the last third I'll never know. The grit he showed there was absolutely tremendous.

 

How many Welterweights beat a prime Sugar Ray Leonard? Point being that most if not all of them wouldn't have had a 1st defense to begin with because they wouldn't have lifted the title from Sugar Ray. Were talking a top 3 all time 147lber.

 

Duran stopped Buchanon and Dejesus 2x. and dominated Palomino and beat 25 year old Sugar Ray Leonard.

According to that same standard how many "elite" fighters did Pernell Whitaker knockout?

 

Forget about ko. What about beat? Chavez was out of his element at 147.

 

Duran was so hit or miss above 147 and disgracefully quit in Leonard 2, but nobody can deny he was one great fighter. He accomplished things that Sweet Pea can only dream about(despite that, personally i rate Pernell very highly). His many detractors can blast him all they want, but what he did was amazing.

 

Whitaker is great fighter there is no doubt of that.

 

Which I have written many, many times- but according to Duran's biggest detractor's criteria on this thread, he is vastly overrated.

 

Leonard, and then he was outclassed by Ray. And the Duran fans say well he beat him, and think Ray was prime, on his second defense of his first title. That is not prime. Ray then beat Duran easily in the rematch, Benitez beat him easily. Hearns beat him easily. Hagler beat him relativetly easy. I mean where is the atg really? fighting the best or beating them, and his lightweight competition was not the best. Where does he get the ranking?

 

Buchanan and Dejesus were not elite. Buchanan was a low blow, and Dejesus was ok. Lost to Cervantes. How elite was he? Palomino? From McCoy's gym in the west? no he was not elite or realy great. Good decent fighter. Not in the Hearns or Leonard level or Benitez. And Ray I went over that.

 

You have repeated the same thing over and over and over again. Your agenda is glaring. All of those elite guys are naturally bigger than Duran, who was past prime and above his best weight when he fought them except for Leonard 2. Simple question, why do you refuse to address that? Once again, because you obviously refuse to answer. Where do you rate Sweet Pea whose resume is **** compared to Duran's? These are 2 simple questions, and you refuse to answer them. Agenda

 

Cervantes was an elite at 140. If want to deny that, you are obviously incorrect. DeJesus ok? Just watch him fight. And at 140, thats where he and Pambele fought. Ken Buchanan was a great fighter in his day and Duran whacked him in the nuts when Kenny threw late punches in at least 2 rounds, because 21 year old Duran was beating his ass. Palomino of course isnt on Hearns and Leonard's level. Nobody outside of Robinson is. Have you any idea how ridiculous you sound?

 

Right, do you think this had anything to do with fighting above your natural weight class and being past your best. Do things like context allude you? You can mask these things MUCH easier against inferior competition, than you can against ATG. So it stands to reason as Duran continues to get older, and when he faces a fellow ATG who happens to be Prime, while Duran is past his prime... what else would you expect? SRL was prime, Tommy was Prime, So was W.B., and at his best weight class. Do facts like these go right over your head or something? The fact is, past 135, he was past his best and didn't have the same hunger and motivation he had previously. He could find it at times, but other times, he simply wasn't and trained accordingly. That is his fault for not training right, but not his fault he was facing an unwinnable father time. The simple fact remains, Duran has a better LW record than Pea (who I'm a huge fan of BTW, and he's a top h2h fighter there has ever been), and he has a better all time win than Pea. You can't get around these facts, but hopefully you understand the context illustrated above.