is Duran overrated as a lightweight? quality of opposition?

Really, you don't know that, what about Ambers gives you the slightest idea he'd win?

Huh about how the analogy doesn't work? It doesn't matter if LWs historically have better resumes than HWs... How struggling to see how this is even a matters as a response to me in the slightest. Let's try a more simple approach. Louis competition was the best, but we can still see a dominant force there, with dominant skills. We know those skills would translate against anybody. Same with Duran, even if I accept your premise that it wasn't a good crop, we still have the same eye test with Duran with less weaknesses to boot. We can SEE his abilities and skill, and only a little further extrapolation is needed.

Again it's laughable you say the SRL fight meant very little to Duran as a lightweight. It seems I need to hold your hand through another critical thinking sections. His skill and abilities didn t change when he moved up, those were present, and what made him a legend at LW. So when you move up and beat the no. 2 ww of all time with those same skills and ability, why don't you think that would translate to him compared to other LWs h2h? Do you know what extrapolation means?

 

I rooted against Duran in his every lightweight fight so don't call me a hero worshipper. His power, conditioning, speed. durability and KO power speak for themselves. His win over Leonard at Welter cements his all time greatness in general.

 

And who on Pernell's or Shane's or Floyd's resume at 135 is better than Buchanan?

 

Agree to disagree.

 

All of those fellows are naturally bigger than Duran, and 3 of the 4 fights you mentioned were past it Duran at 154, the same weight Duran lost to Kirkland Laing. Pernell is not naturally bigger than Duran like those others are.

 

By your own logic, Sweat Pea is overrated at 135 as well. His resume there is clearly not as good as Duran's.

 

Those are the only elites Duran fought and he lost to all of them. and he is the best ever or near it? With what? his mediocre lightweight reign? You know it is not true.

 

I stand by those statements. What did i write that isnt true? That he possibly is the greatest lightweight ever? That these fellows are all naturally bigger than Duran? That Duran was past it in 3 of those fights? That Pernell isnt naturally bigger than Duran like the other 3? Those are all true. Please elaborate concerning which part isnt true. He is most certainly in the conversation as being one of the greatest lightweights ever AND his resume is definitely better than Sweat Pea's at that weight.

 

And by the way, he beat Leonard in the 1st fight. Sweat Pea NEVER fought anyone on Leonard's level, especially a guy that was naturally bigger than him.

 

And finally, we are talking about Duran at 135 possibly being the best ever at that weight. Not the 147 and 154 that those men were suited for. They never fought at lightweight.

 

sweet pea never quit or lost easily to elites like Duran did to Benitez, Ray, Hearns.

 

like it or not. Duran fought his best competition not at 135..

 

He NEVER FOUGHT anyone as good as Leonard or Hearns but did lose to an inferior fighter to those 2 in ODLH.

 

Not denying that. Not too many fighters on the planet are as good as Leonard, Benitez, Hearns or Hagler. And what do they all have in common? They are all naturally bigger than Duran, who lost to them when he was already in his 30s.