Is duran slightly overrated as an ATG?

Thank you my Ulaidh brother

 

Ray did not fight that way from the start, which tells me it was his decision and not Duran. Duran is going to fight aggressively no matter what. Same as Hagler in 1987. He wanted Ray in front of him, but Ray moved lateral and countered.. Had Ray stood flatflooted with Hagler, who would have won? As he was going to I understand until he fought Quincy Taylor and got rocked.

 

you are right. Duran's win over Ray is better than any win on Floyd's resume, but I don't see Ray and Floyd as similar. Ray is more competitive and challenged himself more.. Stylistically, Floyd would fight Duran defensively and winning round and countering. Not an exciting fight. Well I said one great win meaning one win against a great fighter, and still he was stopped (quitting/stopping the same in the record books) by that fighter. Ray is going to challenge himself even if it means beating Duran at his own game. He was just more competitive than Floyd. Floyd never took the chances of a Sugar Ray Leonard. You think he would ever take on a Benitez,Duran and Hearns in a 2 year period? He waited for Pacman to get old. What wa that 5 or 6 years?

 

I am explaining. The excuse would be if Ray did not fight differently in the first round on June 1980 compared to November 1980.

 

Largely agree with the post, except for the bit about the hypothetical Floyd/Duran fight.

None of Floyd's opponent's had Duran's inside fighting skills.

As Duran himself explained, he would cut off the ring and go to the body a lot more, especial when Floyd used his shoulder roll. Pot-shotting isn't going to get the job done against a beast like Duran.

I envisage Duran having an easier time against Floyd than he did against Ray. Floyd won't be coming at him and Duran will be more in his rhythm, trapping Floyd on the ropes and in corners. Floyd might think he can fight Duran from such positions but he loses most of the exchanges against the Panamanian in close.

He eventually absorbs too much punishment and inflicts too little damage and gets a similar or worse result than Leonard.

Or more likely, gets stopped.

 

Yes. You have already made Ray's excuse hundreds of times. Hundreds

 

This is what Leonard said today on his post on facebook "I can’t believe that today is the 38th anniversary of my first fight with Roberto Duran. Although in boxing, as in life, losing is always hard, it serves a great lesson. This fight taught me how to be a better fighter! I challenge you to find the lessons in your defeats..." This fight taught me to be a better fighter.. What he means is to fight his fight and not get suckered into someone else's fight"

 

Hmm, OP is a moron. Obviously, doesn't know anything about Duran, or he'd know that the Duran/De Jesus was a trilogy. And all you'd have to do to know Duran won the Barkley fight convincingly is watch it. But way to go trying to encapsulate a 119 fight career by just mentioning four losses.

 

Excuse. I expect nothing less from Leonard. He's the one that flew down to Panama to get closure FOR Duran over his quit job against Leonard even though Duran came to terms with it a long time ago. What an insecure *******. Watch the cable special if you don't believe me. Or don't as I don't care. But an excuse is an excuse is an excuse. What a joke. Leonard was an atg fighter, but he is an insecure, narcissictic, manipulative jackass, always has been, always will be.

 

Wait a minute, did you just write that you read Leonard's Facebook page today? Beautiful. What were you doing, looking for excuses, lol?

 

No.

 

I don't disagree, but I think flawed human beings and broken men are common in pro boxing. It takes a special kind of person to make a living by bashing another over the head with your fists as hard and as often as you can. Many of them came from disastrous domestic situations and the majority are incredibly uneducated. It's not hard to find many world champions who can't even read.

While the bold is true of Leonard. Duran had his faults as well. He was party animal in the latter part of his career. He as a misogynistic, uncouth, brute.

Leonard is more annoying to me. He's a snake and Duran more like a hyena. One of them is deceptive and putting on an act. Duran at least was authentic.

 

What Leonard said is backed up by fact. He moved in the rematch and kept Duran at his length. As for ther guys Hearns didn't have to move with Duran since he had such a reach and Wilfred had the upper body movement and speed.. As for with Hearns, when Duran came in he countered, and he hit harder than Ray so it made a difference. Had Hearns not had the power to hurt Duran, he might have had to change tactic, which he could since he could go forward and back.. something many guys cannot do effectively. Ray knows that the first fight with Duran taught him the whole game.

 

You talk about excuses as though I make them or Ray, and the fact is the excuse aspect comes up because Duran made them all the time, and I really do not like excuses. You know very well that Duran made excuses. Duran is well known for his excuses. Everytime he had a result he did not like he made an excuse. Even those the best I fought questionaires, he makes excuses. Ray is more honest and admits when he tried to get the ring size or how he sucked Hagler to admit to fighting certain ways.. He is more honest of his tactics after the fact. Duran will lose and say, I was not in shape. If I were I would have won. Well sure. What is that saying "if my Aunt had balls she would be my Uncle". If he were out of shape for Hearns, that right hand he took or the many he took from Hearns he still would have taken and more? And then how many would he have taken had the fight gone say 5 rounds? That is a lot of punishment. I don't see how he ever beats Hearns because he would have to take right hand after right hand, and Hearns had no trouble hitting him. Being in shape still does not answer how he would take Hearns punches. That is quite a punch to take and most guys are never the same after taking it. Benitez didn't have trouble either hitting Duran. Nor did Ray. The whole thing is, if you are hit clean that right there shows you that you cannot deal with the speed. Somehow you have to deal with the power. And they were hitting Duran more than he was hitting them. I never did the punch stat stuff, but I can tell you Duran probably hit Moore and Barkley more than they hit him.. Not with Leonard,Hearns and Benitez at 147 or 154.

 

Till now Duran Barkley tops my favourite match to watch.
Duran in my opinion is the most complete fighter blending equally great both offense and defence.