Is Ernesto Marcel a better fighter than Pac, MAB, JMM and EM?

H2H he'd give them all sorts of trouble.....think his win over Arguello was a wee bit dodgy, but I wouldn't rank him above any of these in my ATG list.

 

I wouldnt hesitate to pic Marcel over a featherweight Pac...I havent seen enough of him to say he beats the others at their best at feather but I reckon is exactly the kind of fighters that would trouble Morales and be a stylistic problem for the skillset of JMM..He is certainly could be considered on par with them taking into account the level of ability he showed in his own era..He has a couple of very good names on his resume at the weight, especially if you count the Shibata fight in his favour. Which I have never seen but Ive never heard a report stating he didnt take that fight.

 

Ill have to track a copy down..is the rematch just as good?

I have seen a few Gomez fights and he is no mug ..with a fair few very solid wins himself including Cervantes...He is the man who retired Saijo interestingly sweet.

Correct me if Im wrong..I probably am..but I recall a bit of a Tapia-esque kind of ability in the fights I have seen of Marcel, which isnt much outside of highlights and its been probably over a year since Ive seen him.

 

I think I had it slightly closer....probably due to my bias for Alexis though :good

 

I'll have to dig my old card out....it may have been similar to yours Sweet Scientist, but I never score even rounds so god knows actually, I definitely had Marcel winning, but I find it hard not to marvel at everything Arguello does and therefore it may appear that he has done more in a round! I sometimes have to remind myself I'm watchin two fighters when I watch an Arguello fight

 

Unfortunately, that's where I stand right now. But I'm still very impressed having seen that. I think Marcel would just be too slick for PAC and EM. Pac has refined his game since moving up but let's keep in mind that his opponents have lacked good quickness. I think he'd outhustle JMM. If Barrera could pick his spots and get the fight inside I'd maybe give him a shot against Marcel.

 

p.s. I think I had Marcel by 3 points over Arguello. I think with that experience that Arguello could have taken a rematch, but nonetheless, great performance by Marcel. The stoppage against Duran was ludicrous. I've seen that same tippy toe dandy referee stop another fight prematurely like that but can't quite place the fight right now.

 

Yes, imo.

Marcel was a tremendous fighter.He'd have a chance against almost any featherweight and i'd make him no less than even money with all that have came after him.Id di think the Arguello fight could have gone either way however.marcel scored a lot of nice lead rights but Arguello came on like a freight train and soundly outworked him over the second half.

The guy he won the title from, Gomez was a helluva fighter as well, more talented than JMM, MAB etc as well imo.Another guy who's dedication didn't match his skills.he had already started to lose non-title fights and looked sluggish as hell against Marcel; compared to the saijo fight.Some of that oculd be attributed to not liking to lead perhaps, and marcel was just better anyway.still i thought he did himself a disservice in that fight.

that aside, i agree with sweet that it was one of the great performances , at least comparable to something like Pac vs Mab.

 

I could see Gomez beating Dejesus due to the styles involved and Esteban not being a physical fighter at all, but it is massively difficult to imagine a much smaller natural featherweight getting the better of Cervantes, who must have looked absolutely huge next to him.