Is Evander Holyfield one of the all-time top 10 heavyweights?

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  1. DINAMITA

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    Evander Holyfield

    Undisputed world heavyweight champion 1990-92.

    5-time world heavyweight champion.

    Holds wins over Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson, Michael Moorer, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, John Ruiz and Hasim Rahman at hw.


    Is he one of the all-time top 10 heavyweights?


    Please vote and explain.
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
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  2. Richel Hersisia

    Richel Hersisia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i have him a 10th, a tie with ezzard charles...

    1. ali
    2. louis
    3. marciano
    4. holmes
    5. foreman
    6. Liston
    7. Lewis
    8. johnson
    9. Dempsey
    10. Holyfield / Charles
     
    Richel Hersisia, Nov 20, 2008
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  3. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, definitely in my eyes.

    Good longevity at the top or thereabouts of the division, for many years. Titles won and credible opponents beaten. Some exciting fights and courageous performances. Sharp counter puncher, combinations to head and body, durable and crafty.

    I'd have already had him in the IBHOF like a shot, if the silly old bugger would only stop fighting.
     
    DamonD, Nov 20, 2008
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  4. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Holyfield had no weak areas showing he was a good all around fighter in his heavyweight prime. He could punch well, box, move, counter, had loads of heart and durability and was a fine ring general. Not among the greatest punchers but he could finish a man when he was hurt. Holyfield mixed great performances with lackluster ones."



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    JonOli, Nov 20, 2008
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  5. DINAMITA

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    OK, let's begin with listing the guys who have to rank above Evander at heavy, no question:

    Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes.

    I think it's fair to add Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey to that without any debate.


    Now we're looking at Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Marciano and James J Jefferies.

    If we rank Holyfield below all of the underlined fighters, he is not in the top 10.

    Who ranks Holyfield higher than any of them?
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
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  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    why on earth would you list wins over Ruiz and Rahman? :huh Those two names clearly do not belong with the others.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Nov 20, 2008
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  7. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Rocky Marciano
    6. George Foreman
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. Jack Dempsey
    9. Gene Tunney
    10. Jack Johnson
    11. Evander Holyfield / Riddick Bowe

    - I cant decide who should get the overall edge between Holyfield and Bowe. Either way he just misses the top 10, but who knows with a win over Valuev and a 10 match win streak into his 50's maybe he will pass Johnson and Tunney lol.

    Honorable mention - Ezzard Charles, J. Joe Walcott, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Jim Jeffries, Floyd Patterson.
     
    Williams27, Nov 20, 2008
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  8. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Fair enough, I was just writing them as I thought of them. What's your opinion on the question at hand?
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
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  9. DINAMITA

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    Why do you rank Liston so highly? And why do you think Foreman was a better heavyweight than Johnson or Dempsey??
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
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  10. Adaptation

    Adaptation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If he wins against valuev, holy **** yes.

    So far, he's just so so so close.

    But if he beats Valuev, damn...
     
    Adaptation, Nov 20, 2008
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  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I may be a bit biased but I have Holyfield as a Top Ten All Time Heavyweight.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Nov 20, 2008
    Rico Spadafora, Nov 20, 2008
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  12. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    There's more chance of Valuev coming to the ring in a mini-skirt and no pants though.
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
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  13. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Have we actually found a fighter you like then?!?! :yikes

    Who do you have him above from this list:

    Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Marciano and James J Jefferies.
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
    DINAMITA, Nov 20, 2008
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  14. TRUEBELIEVER 66

    TRUEBELIEVER 66 Guest

    ALI
    HOLMES
    MARCIANO
    DEMPSEY
    LOUIS
    FOREMAN
    JACK JOHNSON
    LENNOX
    FRAZIER
    SONNY LISTON
    GENE TUNNEY
    FLOYD PATTERSON

    13-HOLYFIELD..
    Holy dosen't even come close to the top 10 in my opinion i have him at 13, you can make an argument putting him in Floyds spot but he dosen't make the top 10:-( he was however the best cruiser of all time:deal
     
    TRUEBELIEVER 66, Nov 20, 2008
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  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I have him:

    above Tyson

    below Frazier

    below Foreman

    below Marciano

    above James J Jeffries

    I went to High School with two of Evander's nephews and one was in my graduating class so I got to see Evander quite often out and about.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Nov 20, 2008
    Rico Spadafora, Nov 20, 2008
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