is everyone blinded by valero's ko's of tomato cans

Anyone who would compare Valero to Deleon and Mayorga clearly haven't seen enough of him. I dont blame ya at all.

 

I'm not referring to people who are new to the site, hell a professional boxer can be a member here and new to the site, does that mean he's a newbie?

I'm referring to certain silly fans that overrate fighters based on what these fighters say rather than actual accomplishments. I don't want to get into all fighters who were in similar positions but will use popular cases this forum will relate to. Vivian Harris, hardly did anything but once he started to talk trash about Mayweather he gets boosted and talked a lot about, Margarito follows and falls in the same failing category.

My point is this, once Valero scores some serious wins and REALLY impresses then we'll talk about him. So far he's nothing but an up and comer and if he's allowed to fight recently then why rub it in Pacquiao's face by enjoying Valero claiming Pac is "ducking" him?, Pacquiao's record speaks for itself and it doesn't look like anyone who has ducking tendencies. If Valero only recently is allowed to fight in the States then he might as well build up the record and make the most out of it, knocking out cans in two rounds in "Mike Tyson" fashion might impress noobs but it sure as hell doesn't impress me.

I would like to see him against someone worth mentioning then we'll talk. Speaking of his abilities, even against the mediocre opponents he made a living fighting he seems to have gone long rounds and been floored numerous times, so he's hardly someone to be talking about as a "threat", especially not to someone in Pacquiao's class unless people are THAT desperate.

 

I wouldn't compare Valero to anyone at this point till I see him against opponents worth mentioning. Anyone can look like Ali fighting the right opponents. Pavlik looked like Tarzan against Gary "The Rocket" Lockett then he ran into Hopkins and he looked like the 44 year old.

Let's see him against opponents worth mentioning then we'll make comparisons. You never know, he might end up being FAR worse than De Leon.

So far De Leon wipes the floor with him in terms of opposition so let's not start "comparisons" when you already admitted that Valero only recently got the green light to fight in the US.

How can someone who only recently was allowed to fight in the US be compared to anyone?!, if anything that's an insult to De Leon than it is Valero.

 

Didn't.

No way you would have confidently picked an eager Pac to pull an upset against a p4p who was seemingly on top of his game, though I can understand a few who thought about it.

Valero has the power and perhaps the talent, and after seeing him TKO'ing Pitualo, I am sure he would be in the mix at 135 with other legit contenders, but don't go overboard and sprout the idea that he will massacre both JMM and Pacquaio and all other boxers alive.

 

I watched this guy in his skills are not that impressive plus his defence is weak. My point before was only in regard of his KO record and my comparison with Ponce De Leon was that everyone was ovverating his punch power based on KOing Tomato cans.

 

Exactly.. Valero is a boxer-puncher but too bad most havent seen that side of him. Just like Eric Morales, he's a fine technician when he wants to be or has to be, but he'd rather fight..

 

Breidis Prescott has a KO great record from beating bums in Columbia but no one is hyping him to be the next world champ. Can someone explain the difference between Valero and Prescott in terms of whose KO record should get me more excited ?

 

Harris and Margarito talked because they wanted fights with Floyd. This happens all of the time in boxing. They seek the champ out after winning a title. Fans see this is talk before the walk, and that is not the case. Valero will keep marching up the ladder, and you have every right to criticize him along the way, and other fighters you feel are hype guys. All a man can do is take one fight at a time. And for the record, PAc was floored numerous times also before he became known, and has done well. I don't know about the "numerous time" you are taking about when referring to Valero, but your point is made...with yourself.

 

Prescott beat Khan, and then looked ordinary in his next fight, when he held too much, and his opponent bit him. Prescott is an up and coming fighter while Valero has won two world titles...and has the more exciting style.

 

No it's not made with myself and only myself, I see many people agreeing with me so I don't know what you're hinting at there.

Speaking of Valero, I never said anything different than what you said. Sure Pac was floored at the time but none of us saw him throw out "threatening" trash talks about the big boys available back then, he was concentrating and focusing on the guys in his league. Valero seems to be talking smack about guys like Pacquiao when he's way out of their league at this stage.

You admitted yourself that this is a man who's "climbing" and only recently got the green light to fight in the US. Yet I see threads from you about how Valero will be Pacquiao's "serious" nightmare.

What are we supposed to believe?

 

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WOW look at this guys KO record and his in the top 10 WBA LW rankings. He KOed so many tomato cans in Nambia so he must be a champion in waiting. Not!

 

Just stop with your ******ed comparisons..

NO Valero is no presscott and he aint no god dam Paulus ****in Moses.. Jesus ****in christ, some people..

Stop being ignorant and just watch.

 

We will truly know if his style is more exciting when he fights people worth mentioning. His style so far seems to be a "KO 1 YO!!" style. It only shines when you fight guys worth mentioning and guys that will force you to prove how affective your style is. Continuing to fight guys coming out of coffins will make him fight comfortable enough to TRY things out there like it's a sparring session. You're only committed to YOUR style when you fight someone that will force you to either show it or hit the deck, did he fight anyone that can do that yet?, the answer is no and not even close.

I see people giving Bautista **** for getting KO'd in one round against De Leon yet the kid actually TRIED and WENT AFTER someone good enough to test him, unlike Valero.

 

In his 12th fight Valero fought a guy called Tomas Zambrano with a record of 0 (0), 4 (2), 0. That is the definition of padding your record with tomato cans.

 

Scar your point is pretty clear. And obvious to anyone with some sense. At this point, Valero has no bargaining tool to demand big fights.