Is Ezzard Charles a great heavyweight?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    A clean victory means with another set of judges Charles could easily have been given the nod.
     
  2. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With another set of judges, Charles might also have lost some of the fights he won, so that argument cuts both ways. One of his wins over Moore was very close, for instance.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yes exactly, wins should also be given an asterixs where appropriate.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That wasn't at HW, though, so it doesn't have any relevance for his HW standing.
     
  5. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just regarding the Ray fight, Oscar Fraley said something like "10 rows back Charles looked like the winner", but that closer up Ray was doing damage. He also said Charles was holding and retreating a lot, which wasn't going to do him any favours at the Garden in 1947. The AP had Charles ahead but only by a round, so I wouldn't really class that one as a robbery.
     
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  6. Berlenbach

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    I wasn't really using the Moore fight against Charles, just making the point that this kind of argument is swings and roundabouts. Most fighters have a few close ones go for and against them over their careers. If close losses are to be asterisked, why not their close wins as well?
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    I've seen those, but I've also seen some of the papers (although the name escapes me) and I'm pretty sure they saw it similarly to the judge who had it for Charles. 8-2 ish, based on better boxing and sharper counter-punching.
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's a lot of excellent commentary here from both sides , I rank Charles as one of the greatest pound for pound fighters who ever lived, but when I think of great heavyweights his name just doesn't come to mind as quickly as the usual suspects.
     
  9. cuchulain

    cuchulain Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who (or how many) would you rank ahead of him ?
     


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