Is Ezzard Charles a great heavyweight?

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  1. mr. magoo

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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I can ignore them.

    I hate the notion that if a fighter retires at the right time they have a better legacy.

    It's nonsense.
     
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  3. he grant

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    Interesting ..
     
  4. he grant

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    All time great H2H, no but a great heavyweight, sure ..
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    And going off memory, all but two losses in Charles' prime were arguably wins, or in the case of Marshall I, he was injured.
     
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    It isn't about fault.

    It's about judgement. I certainly will not use any past prime losses in my judgement of Charles. But if he's able to turn back the clock and score a meaningful victory, that counts.

    It can't be biased because its how I view every boxer therefore its the opposite of bias.

    As for the klitchsko brothers Wlad is clearly the greater heavyweight.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    He was an absolute phenom.
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think he gets underrated because he is compared to today's modern sized heavies. If Charles was 6'3 210-215 pounds with the same record rather than 6' 180-185 pounds, many would say he was a HW ATG. Which I don't think is fair. 100 years from now, if the average heavyweight is 7'0 299 pounds, would that diminish the greatness of prime Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis? I think Charles suffers from sizeism.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    He was also down against Peter for the NABF title and in a non title fight against Williamson but you conveniently leave those out I see.

    Wladimir has been down a lot of times no matter how spell his name.

    But no matter how many times he's been down, which is more than you care to admit, he's accomplished much more as a heavyweight than his big brother ever did.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    You know this is exactly how I see it as well.

    He has a far better resume than Dempsey and Marciano, has more defences than them both.

    But for some reason he's dismissed as a LHW rather than a HW.

    But as a stand alone HW I think he is an ATG.
     
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  11. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agreed
     
  12. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He is not any victim of size, he simply was not a hw
     
  13. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield was leagues above ChArles at hw
     
  14. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So he's LHW who is top 20 in terms of accomplishements at HW - fine now?
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    But he was a HW. He defended the HW title 9 times or something daft.
     
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