Is Ezzard Charles a great heavyweight?

Stop talking, you clearly don't know anything about Charles. He was absolutely prime for the Louis fight, in fact it's one of his best filmed Performances.

For Patterson's peak performance (Moore) he was 182. Charles' peak HW performances range was from 180 to 186. There's little to no difference between Patterson and Charles. Both were LHWs who put on extra pounds to compete at HW.

 

To be fair, it's not.

 

And while he wasn't outclassing these opponents in spectacular fashion, they are hardly close and controversial wins either so it's just not paper wins.

 

Maybe I should say one of the best performances, although I'm still high on this win. Louis was still very good then, far better than against Marciano for example.

 

Yeah I think he was probably the 3/4th best HW in the world at the time. I only see Charles, Moore and Walcott beating him. Maybe Maxim too, but that's a toss up.

I don't think it's remotely close to one of his best HW wins (I pointed out why in the lineal thread) but it is a good win. Charles' whole reign is littered with underrated wins. Shame he didn't get the better of some more controversial decisions.

 

Indeed, with a bit more favorable scorings he could have good enough resume to attack bottom top 10 spots at HW.

 

Yeah, if he got the nod in Walcott 4, Ray I and the Harold Johnson fight, I think he'd have a case for the GOAT. He'd have beaten ANOTHER top 10-15 LHW, had one of the most vicious, stacked, and in this case, undefeated runs through '46-'51 where he beat everyone around - including like 8 HOFers - and with relative ease. AND he'd have been the first man who won the HW title back, which would be made even sweeter by the fact he lost it one of the most devastating KOs ever.

Or if he somehow got the nod in the first Marciano fight... which I can't fathom, but some writers felt he deserved the nod.

 

Patterson was green in 1956 what the hell are you talking about

 

Green for his best performance? How'd you figure that out?

 

Patterson was green in 1956 at 21, stop this nonsense " his best performance" against an ancient archie moore

 

I mean, it is. Moore would be champ for another 6 years, so there's that arguement out of the window. Patterson had a storied amateur career, had been in 31 fights, and seldom looked as good as he did vs Moore. Patterson was absolutely prime then.

But let's say he wasn't, just for shits and giggles. His entire title reign was fought below 190. It's only after a year of inactivity did he even reach 190.

Both Patterson and Charles are blown up LHWs, both were not heavyweights.