Is Ezzard Charles in your top 5 pound-for-pound of all-time?

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Leonard above Pep? The man only had 40 fights. It wouldn't even matter if 15 of his opponents were all-time greats. Even if he moved up to heavyweight and beat Tyson instead of Hagler in 1987 it wouldn't make a difference. Sorry mate, he wasn't fighting often enough no matter his resume.
     
  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What you are doing is transparent, Robbi.

    You mentioned my name in a post last week where you implied that I am not impressed enough with Whitaker -and that if he were fighting in the 40s, I'd think better of him. That was false, and I offered you several names of more recent fighters who I very highly regard. In this thread, I (rightfully) criticized the goofy inclusions of Jones and Mayweather, and suddenly the 40s become the 80s.

    --Coincidence? I doubt it.

    How silly.

    You need to get over your vicarious jealousy of Pep. Somehow I doubt that Whitaker himself would be so hell-bent on minimizing the obvious greatness of Pep -as you do in your strange crusade.
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're only confusing everyone -including yourself. Why don't you call it "H2H best"? And forget about the how fighters would compete if they were the same weight? That just gets senseless for obvious reasons.

    If Greb doesn't beat Jones, then why is he ranked ahead of Jones? Why isn't Jones ranked #1? Where's Whitaker? Where's Tyson?
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Again its not about how many fights he has or even resume, its about they compete if they are the same size, thats the criteria of P4P.

    Now if you want to make a new ratings system based on who had the greatest legacy regardless of weight class, do so but it wouldn't be called P4P

    Old Timers get well overrated on these boards for fighting endless dross
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'll copy and paste this because it applys here:

    Again its not about how many fights he has or even resume, its about they compete if they are the same size, thats the criteria of P4P.

    Now if you want to make a new ratings system based on who had the greatest legacy regardless of weight class, do so but it wouldn't be called P4P

    Tyson still has the same flaws P4P that see him getting beat in the later rounds, Whitakers boarderline top10
     
  6. Manassa

    Manassa - banned

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    That doesn't work, dick splash.
     
  7. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Well, if you go by this criteria a list isn´t worth much because you could put a guy like Pavlik in there and say he would knock out everybody. It´s just speculation and oppinion. That´s why I don´t do lists based ion this criteria or take h2h into account to much speculation.

    But going by your criteria I think I could agree with most picks though but I think yoiu underate Armstrong tremendously. Armstrong is the one guy most people think is the most similar to Greb. Greb is ranked very high but Armstrong who fought about the same as him - we don´t know who is better - is not ranked as high, even though we have prove of Armstrongs ability but not of Grebs. That´s a bit strange for me.
     
  8. Loewe

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    Actually, I think Armstrong has a good chance against Whitaker and Duran and would beat RJJ, like Greb, at 168. In my oppinion you are overrating Jones very much. He was good but not that good.
     
  9. Holmes' Jab

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  10. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Langford
    Greb
    Robinson
    Armstrong
    B. Leonard

    So, no Charles.
     
  11. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anyone ever read "Notes From the Underground"? Seems like some are living it out right here...

    Charles is definite top 10. I have in my top 5. But top 10 for sure.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Those guys would all be poison for Armstrong.
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I voted NO because I havent seen enough of him.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I think Armstrong would give a great account of himself vs Duran and Whitaker, and any other 135 in history to be honest. The man was a machine. He wouldn't give Whitaker a seconds respite or room, it'd be fascinating to see how the match developed and how Whitaker dealt with the constant blitz.
     
  15. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Well said, I do too. Armstrong was a force of nature, P4P wise he's tops in my view. Duran and Whitaker could certainly lose maybe once if they were to face of against Armstrong in a trilogy. I've rarely ever seen a busier fighter from any weight class.

    Needless to say Mayweather Jr would be toast.