Is Fedor the greatest fighter ever caught on film ?

Yeah. That's apparently what I typed, but not what I really meant. I doubt many could if I were set and ready for them (by surprise it's easy to get somebody down), but I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, and some good wrestlers that could. Size does matter if you know how to use it all though. That's why boxing weight divisions are so close. That's why you watch MMA, and even a superior fighter like Fedor cannot just wrestle with guys way stronger, or bigger than them. He has to use his superior skills to beat them, grab an armbar, or straight up pummel them in the face. That's why if he faced Lesnar..Lesnar would actually put him down for quite a while (even though I do not think highly of Lesnar) til he tired out, and Fedor slapped a sub on him.

 

Probably. But he won't hold that torch for long even if he retired 40-1

mma is not in its full evolution. and his accomplishments will be shattered by another mma great. Its like the 1st baseball player to reach 500 HomeRuns. They'll be more along the way.

 

Yea, that's like saying size matters in boxing if you know how to punch properly. Just cause your big and you THINK you know how to use your weight won't get you anywhere. Using your weight correctly is VERY technical and is not something you'll pick up in a year or two.

Let me put it this way, you're 170, and a guy whos 135, Ohio or Illinois HS state qualifiers will tear you a ****ing new one no matter how "ready" you are for an attack from him. He WILL take you down, keep you down, and turn your face into a pulp slowly but surely.

 

Primenal,

You are an idiot, everything has been said by the others. Learn or leave please. You clealry are unfamiliar with the sport, you don't know mma or grappling, you know nothing. So learn on your own or ask, but presuming your horrible ideas, which fly in the face of fact and thousands of years of competition, are correct is not a good move.

 

lesner beating mir was purely strength. don't bull**** me and say that his wrestling skills did that for him, no it was his freakish strength that helped him dominate mir.

as for fedor being the best fighter to ever live, no. sugar ray robinson. fedor hasn't fought everybody, the sport isn't established enough to really say that. he is something very special, but because of the different organizations and promotions fedor hasn't really been in the mix lately.

 

why do you think he is saying caught on film? everyone knows that there is little to document bruce lee on film for real fighting he kicked ass when the camera's were not there.

 

Are you seriously saying Ray beats Fedor in a fight?? Yes Ray is arguably the greatest pound 4 pound boxer of all time, but I'm pretty sure we're talking absolute fighter. No weight divisions, no rules. I don't know if Fedor's the best, I do know he beats Ray.

 

Why don't you give your great ideas/ opinions if there that awesome instead of disrespecting others ideas? Or analyze my ideas and explain why they wouldn't work.
I just stated that size/ strength DO MATTER if you know how to use it. That also this isn't about MMA it's straight up street fighting, and certain people hold the advantage in that. If you think somebodies ideas are crap then why don't you argue them, and explain your point of view instead of saying "Idiot", "you don't know ****" blah blah. It'd help you make more friends :happy

 

LOL...Those guys need to lay off the juice!!! There going to attack me because there from Ohio, and they weigh 135, and I weigh 170. Plus, why does your sentence say "HIM" and "HE" When it should say "THEM" and "THEY"? Angry little fellows aren't they?
Nah anyways I don't disrespect nobody, or underestimate anyone. I seriously am a physichally gifted individual who works hard at it though...Workout 5 days a week, twice a day most of the time (workout around 3 hours a day), have good power for my size, pretty quick hands/ reflexes, some good sense, and have taken many classic ass kickings in different physichal sports, and do not mind. So, I don't say no 135 pounder couldn't grapple me, sub me, or straight up kick my ass. I'm confident in saying MOST of them will not. No disrespect, no underestimation...Simply **most** WILL NOT. I have no records saying this, have no way to prove this unless I find some 130 pound people, video record me beating them up, and throwing them around, and sticking it on youtube. Then again...If I showed that you guys wouldn't give me the credit I deserved, and say THEY WERE A BUNCH OF BUMS! :hey
BTW: To prove I'm not cocky. 170-130=40 pounds difference. I'm betting if I go up against a 210 pound man who has much strength I bet I cannot grapple him either! Know why? Cuz he freakin weighs 40 pounds more than me! That's why I practice MT, and JKD. Cuz I'm not the biggest guy on the planet, but using things like that brings them down to my level and gives me a shot.

 

His wrestling skills had a lot to do with it, if it were just about being strong Kongo would never get taken down.

More importantly his technical wrestling on the mat kept Mir there, most MMA guys are used to BJJ style grappling, but some technical wrestling modified to hold the guy into position as you pound him is a wrench in some guys plans.

 

Because everybody else already did.

You are basing this on fighting untrained idiots, not trained fighters. Yes the average joe with no skills beats the lighter average joe with no skills....no ****. That also has nothing to do with the thread.

You also seem to think wrestling is just a test of strength, its not. You could take the strongest man ever to live and Buvaisar Saitiev, all 162lbs of him puts him on his back.

You also seem to think Lesnar has no skill. You don't win a JuCo and D1 national championship with no wrestling skill, and you don't win the UFC HW title without skill; you don't beat Herring, Mir, or Randy Couture without skill. Herring was at least even striking wise with Kongo in their fight, Brock killed him standing; Mir outstruck Nog, Brock killed him standing; Randy has outstruck Liddell, Gonzaga, Sylvia, and a damn long list of other people, Brock killed him standing.

Brock is strong as hell, he is also skilled as hell.

Most importantly:

Jet ****ing Li in this conversation disqualifies you from all opinion regarding who is and who is not a good fighter.

The question is who is the best fighter caught on film. You name one guy who has fought on film, and that was in point karate. That is how strongly you failed.

 

I voted yes.

There are still enough heavyweights outside the UFC for Fedor to hold onto his top position in the sport, but none that can really elevate his status.

The UFC has Lesnar, Silva, and Machida; and they could raise his status to a level no one may achieve any time soon. They could also bring him down a notch, and maybe even unjustifiably. Fedor is in his 30's, and it makes a difference. That's a different topic though.

Lesnar is an athlete like no one Fedor has faced. Silva is as complete an mma fighter there is, and he is faster. Machida is extremely fast, is strong, and may be of Silva's caliber within his next couple fights. Machida probably cuts from a weight near to which Fedor fights at.

 

You have not a clue about the concept of skill in grappling. If you did wrestling as long as you did MT and JKD you'd handle that poor 210lb man like a rag doll.