Is Floyd And His Imitators Style The Reason Boxing Isn't A Mainstream Sport In The US

Manfred · Mar 29, 2015

Imperial1 said: ↑

And what did his fight w/MW do ? Yeah im sure Floyd does those numbers with Maidana Ortiz and Gurrwro oh wait they didn't come close ..

Oscar is responsible for making both Manny and Floyd household names ..
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Oscar ain't responsible for ****. Oscar was just a meal that Mayweather gobbled up on his way to the main course. He hated on Mayweather every chance he got and still does. If Oscar don't stop using drugs and putting on female under ware he's gonna lose GBP. Meanwhile Mayweather is solidifying his empire and will eclipse Oscar in earnings period.

Imperial1 · Mar 29, 2015

Manfred said: ↑

Oscar ain't responsible for ****. Oscar was just a meal that Mayweather gobbled up on his way to the main course. He hated on Mayweather every chance he got and still does. If Oscar don't stop using drugs and putting on female under ware he's gonna lose GBP. Meanwhile Mayweather is solidifying his empire and will eclipse Oscar in earnings period.
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Sure he was Thats why Floyd kept asking for the Delahoya fight when he was with TR ..But you know what's funny for someone who wears fishnets he still had more ***** than Floyd .. With out Oscar Floyd would not be where he is at today Fact !

darryl1914 · Mar 29, 2015

Epic and Historic deals to have Boxing on PRIMETIME NETWORK TELEVISION, but Boxing is less popular?

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attaboi · Mar 29, 2015

darryl1914 said: ↑

Epic and Historic deals to have Boxing on PRIMETIME NETWORK TELEVISION, but Boxing is less popular?

GUN. BOOM. THUD!!!
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Funny OP also thinks Haymond's pbs venture is bad for boxing.

CST80 · Mar 29, 2015

BoxingDude said: ↑

The agenda in this post is so obvious.
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No S*** Sherlock

CST80 · Mar 29, 2015

attaboi said: ↑

Funny OP also thinks Haymond's pbs venture is bad for boxing.

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It will be....... just wait, we'll have Salka vs Peterson Primetime on NBC this time next year. Don't start sucking Haymon's c*** just yet give a few months it'll fall apart.

CST80 · Mar 29, 2015

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Now do Pac's lol...
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Pac-Hatton 835,000

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Pac-Clottey 700,000

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Pac-Rios 475,000
Pac-Bradley 890,000
Pac-Bradley2 750,000
Pac-Algieri 350,000

JAB5239 · Mar 30, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

The Heavyweights weren't that popular in the 80's yet Hagler, Hearns, Duran and Leonard kept the sport afloat. Its not Wlad's fault.:nono
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If Wlad werent so incredibly boring heavyweight boxing would certainly be more popular in the US. Than again, if Floyd were eastern European you would be making thread titles about him like "Floyd Mayweather: boxings slick, pugulistic Kasparov from the iron curtain" or such nonsense and proclaiming him boxings savior.

deadhead · Mar 30, 2015

nothing to do with floyd. witbout floyd boxing would be even worse off. IMO its MMA that killed boxing which baffles me. people wpuld rather watch two men hump eachother for 4 minutes then watch a entertaining boxing match.

attaboi · Mar 30, 2015

JAB5239 said: ↑

If Wlad werent so incredibly boring heavyweight boxing would certainly be more popular in the US. Than again, if Floyd were eastern European you would be making thread titles about him like "Floyd Mayweather: boxings slick, pugulistic Kasparov from the iron curtain" or such nonsense and proclaiming him boxings savior.
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That explains his buthhurt. No one cares about his Eastern European heros and that really bothers him. By his standard most these Eastern European fighters all exciting and therefor should be headlining ppv events instead of fighting on the undercard of "boring" American fighters.

The_Ikon · Mar 30, 2015

Capt said: ↑

American boxing began its decline when Tyson went to jail.

The lack of american HWs is what's responsible for the decline in boxing. When Floyd retires, no one will care about boxing anymore, right now he's the only reason the sport gets mainstream attention here.

The fact also that boxing is/was on mostly in premium channels and don't get enough exposure. PPV I think has also hurt boxing popularity.
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Agreed, Floyd is the ONLY reason most casual fans watch boxing... so he should be thanked.

Floyd is a mega star world wide and the biggest boxing star in the USA. The numbers don't lie ppv sales, Twitter and Facebook followers etc far bigger following then ALL other boxers combined including Pac.. check the stats...

The_Ikon · Mar 30, 2015

darryl1914 said: ↑

Epic and Historic deals to have Boxing on PRIMETIME NETWORK TELEVISION, but Boxing is less popular?

GUN. BOOM. THUD!!!
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I agree with you... boxing is more popular then ever! They should salute Al Haymon and Mayweather.

The_Ikon · Mar 30, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

It will be....... just wait, we'll have Salka vs Peterson Primetime on NBC this time next year. Don't start sucking Haymon's c*** just yet give a few months it'll fall apart.
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At least he attempted... to put the sport you claim to like on free tv for all to enjoy. If it fails it's ok. Being a failure is ok that indicates you tried! Being a loser is worse. So being a loser bro.

The_Ikon · Mar 30, 2015

CST80 I understand you're his number one Twitter follower

Scar · Mar 30, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

It would be an understatement to say that Boxing has lost a great deal of support in the United States over the past 20 years. And I place the lack of popularity for the most part squarely on the shoulders of Floyd "Money" Mayweather. Is he one of the best fighters in the world of course he is...but that's aside from the point. He is dull to watch...its as simple as that. Most casual fans are not fans of the sweet science they don't even understand how he wins his matches most of the time, they don't understand why the guy retreating (which they view as running) yet landing the cleaner shots is winning the match, they don't understand defense and which punches count and which ones don't, so in the cases of the Hatton, De La Hoya, Cotto and Maidana matches they don't understand the difference between effective aggression and ineffective aggression so they don't understand how he wins the match which confuses them. None of it makes any sense to them so they lose interest. The rest of the people that watch the sport that are so-called Floyd fans many of them are fans of his **** talking persona they loves how he trash talks his opponent in the lead up and it gets them all pumped because they root for a celebrity and his personality not because they are actually entertained by him.

And here's another reason for his Pay-Per-View numbers, many fans buy them simply hoping to see Floyd get knocked out, and that is an exercise in futility at this point due to him not taking any truly risky fights where that's even a possibility with the exception of maybe Maidana. But for the rest of the country they may have seen him once and were bored out of their skulls and never wanted to se him again. At any rate his negative counter punching fighting style is a turn off, and to many his trash talking is equally distasteful so ultimately the audiences here who consider the possibility of seeing a knockout as one of the only reason to watch, have virtually no reason whatsoever to watch the sport with Floyd being its most visible representative.

Sure Floyd is technically the biggest selling PPV fighter currently, but how big would he be if he fought more like Manny and actually tried to put on a show for the people who paid their hard earned money to see him.

American Fighters Unlike Floyd.
All of these fighters were immensely or somewhat popular and they all have a style that is exciting and most importantly fan friendly even the slick defensive fighters that I mention weren't overly defensive and were exciting to watch. Fighters like Mike Tyson, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Ray Mancini, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield, Tommy Morrison, Riddick Bowe, George Foreman, Oscar De la Hoya, Roy Jones Jr. etc. They and many others were fun to watch for the casual fan and therefore the sport was popular.:thumbsup Its as simple as that.

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American Fighters That Are Similar to Floyd.
Pernell Whitaker, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward, Winky Wright. Now what do they all have in common no one wants to watch their matches because they are incredibly dull. BHop gets some people interested due to his trash talking and currently the fact that he's so old is a novelty and other than that most of these fighters didn't or don't have near the popularity, because they are not fun to watch. Its as simple as that. That doesn't take away from their skill level it just means their fighting style isn't the most conducive to bringing in new fans and making people care in the least.

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Now this is what I fear for the future of the sport in America. Every young new fighter that's came along in the last 5 years in America seem to have a fanboy like obsession with emulating the style of Pretty Boy Floyd. So that means the sport may not become as popular as it once was for the foreseeable future.

The Shape Of Things To Come:scaredas:
Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo, Chris Algieri, Demetrius Andrade, Errol Spence, Adrien Broner, Rau'shee Warran, Peter Quillin, Mickey Bey, J'Leon Love, Terence Crawford, Dominic Wade, Antoine Douglas, Chris Pearson, The Dirrell Brothers, Daniel Jacobs, Willie Monroe Jr. Karl Dargan, Sadam Ali, Terrell Gausha and Amir Imam. Not a crowd pleasing style amongst them. Bleak Forecast as far as bringing in New Fans.

The Few Bright Spots
Keith Thurman (Exciting Counter Puncher)
Deontay Wilder (KO Artist)
Tony Harrison (KO Artist)
JRock Williams
Jesse Hart
Brandon Adams
James Kirkland
Curtis Stevens
Glen Tapia
Brandon Rios
Emmanuel Taylor
Shawn Porter
Andre Berto
Marcus Browne
Amir Mansour (Old)

American Boxing will never be as popular as it once was as long as fighters choose to fight in a style similar to Floyd Mayweather, it may not be right that fans don't want to see that type of Boxing, but it is what it is. Fans want KO's and fans want to be entertained and if they are not getting that then they tune out. Because America is the land of short attention spans and they want to be stimulated and not bored to sleep.

So let's root for the Deontay's, Porter's and Thurman's of the World and maybe fans will start to care once again.:happy

Something else to consider:think: The Population of the US was 226 Million in 1980, 249 Million in 1990, 289 Million in 2000, and currently in 2015 its a whopping 320 Million yet at his best Mayweather with the help of De La Hoya and Canelo and their huge Mexican fanbase is only drawing numbers comparable to Tyson in the mid 90's. The sport may still be popular to its hardcore fanbase but the sport and its numbers haven't grown with the population as it should have. The sport has stagnated and not grown as it should have.

EDIT: Title Clarified for people who didn't actually read the thread:readthre:
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Lack of popularity yet almost all of his fights have been selling by the millions(if not slightly less) and his next fight is set to break all records.

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