Is Floyd Mayweather like Roy Jones in the sense that

at 130 135 he did..at 140 he tried to get the best in hatton and kostya and they wanted no parts than!

 

If he wins then it means nothing because he's supposed to win and all sorts of excuses will be there. RJJ was hated beyond belief when he was reigning as P4P#1, he fought Tarver and beat him yet people were saying he's running scared from a rematch and when he took it "we all knew he will lose". Guys who are rated high don't get credit for winning, it's losing what people tune in to see.

RJJ is more and more respected as time goes now and people know how great he really was. Tarver wanted none of the "losing weight" excuse from Jones and mocked him for it yet was the first to use that excuse when Hopkins whopped his ass. Please note that Tarver gained weight for a MOVIE and RJJ for a legitimate heavyweight title fight.

Mayweather will continue to fight those available, people can appreciate or hate all they want. The guys available and worth fighting will be their targets as it always was.

 

Nonsense. ANY fight against top quality fighters gives them a chance to win. DLH had all the advantages ANYONE could dream of going in against Mayweather and it showed with how close the fight was yet Mayweather kept firing back.

What you're saying is "If he wins it means nothing, I'll wait till he loses then I'll say he fought someone good and got exposed".

Nothing different from what RJJ had to read in his reign as P4P#1. People are slowly doing the same for Pac and the longer he reigns as P4P#1 the worst/more pathetic the hate gets.

 

He's a very good fighter. Even in the fights where he was in with "overmatched" opponents, he did what he had to do and that was to totally dominate them. Like Gatti. Same with Pac, sure ODLH was drained, but Pac did what he had to do and it was to totally dominate him.

Floyd has fought better fighters than say... Pryor overall during his career and Pryor is revered like a God, even when his win over Arguello seems tainted. Probably because of his style and cause he's "old-school" which gives him magical powers. :roll:

 

floyd will be remember the same as roy if he retires now. the difference is that floyd fought the very best before he left 135 and the competition was FANTASTIC and roy fought the very best at 168-175 and the competition was....ok. floyd is now cherry picking at 147 at the end of his career, the same as roy did at heavy. the difference is floyd is trying to coast on his legacy at 147 by cherry-picking at the end, while roy believed he made his legacy at 175 and was trying to ENHANCE his legacy at the end by fighting heavies. i think floyd is making up for lost time now, roy never tried for the VERY best he could have at heavy (lennox lewis). floyd has a great resume and probably won't enhance it much, roy had a very good resume and almost made it great and could've but never shot for the top. still roy ranks higher because he's the better fighter who dominated his opponents in better style

 

A former middleweight fighting a legitimate heavyweight champion who also beat Golota, Oquendo and Rahman after the loss to RJJ is cherry picking?

Only a fool would consider that cherry picking. As far as I remember there were MANY that picked Ruiz in that fight, now that he has dominated him it's cherry picking... :nut If it was so easy and "cherry" Toney wouldn't have stuffed his tits with roids to look impressive against Ruiz.

His reign at light heavy wasn't just "ok" either. Roy Jones fought champions at light heavy and unified the titles like no one has done before. After the Ruiz fight groupies were crying "He should fight Lewis" and other groupies cried "He should fight Tarver". He picked Tarver and the rest is history, if he fought Lewis then he's ducking Tarver and if he fought Tarver he's ducking Lewis. It's these kind of situations fighters go through that expose the newbies following the sport when they discuss.

Mayweather's move to Welterweight wasn't for the sake of cherry picking. Last I remember people were dying to see him fight Judah and many thought there's no way in hell he will consider it after what Judah did to Spinks in the rematch. His move to Welterweight was for the undisputed WBC/WBA/IBF champion who also was in top 10 P4P lists at the time. Judah losing his mandatory and tune up is NOT Mayweather's fault, his intentions were obvous and targeted the undisputed champion. Fatsos like Freddy Wak here used to say there's no ****ing way in hell Mayweather would consider Judah. The way Margarito was looked at was the same way Harris was looked at 140, a trash talker that doesn't have a single major win. A lot of people voted they wanted to see him fight Judah far more than Hatton back then and a Hatton fight was being worked on though publicly turned down since Hatton and his team claimed they need two more fights, Mayweather sure as hell wasn't going to wait.

Some people here need a lesson in cherry picking. REAL cherry picking was Margarito fighting tomato cans then yelling after fights he's being ducked by Jr. Welterweights who he's trying badly to fight. Mayweather gives Marquez, a smaller opponent, a shot and he's a cherry picker yet Margarito making a career calling out guys half his size in lower divisions is a "throw back" gladiator.

 

very good post :goodusing the term cherry picker for either was harsh but i think that's the common thought for both. jones' competition at light heavy was VERY good (i've argued for him from time to time) but it was a weak era. mayweather's pre-140 resume is one of the best of modern times. no, he didn't cherry pick BUT it isn't the same as his 135 and below resume. he took more time, let fights simmer. that's how the game works but from his first fight on until gatti it seemed like he took on the best and said the hell with it. he was more thoughtful from n'dou on. not a knock: he wanted the best fights and took his time. jones picked ruiz instead of lewis. it wasn't cherry picking but it was a GREAT first step at heavy. it seems like he only wanted the belt and not divisional dominance. call it what you want but if jones wanted to be heavyweight champion, he should have fought lennox lewis.

mayweather and jones both picked their fights more selectively and purposefully in their later years. that's all i'm saying. not ducking but they picked the fights that would do the most for them (in terms of both money AND legacy)

 

No one is demanding he fight a middle weight. ALL that is being demanded is he fight at least 2 top WW contender. Hell no one is ever demanding he fight a LMW.

 

Watch the Lampley interview after the Ruiz fight. Lampley plain out says "Roy doesnt like too take risks"

The same Roy that defeated Hopkins, Toney, and a host of credible champs inbetween winning belts in 4 weight classes.

The best boxers are always going to be the most hated.

 

You make logical points but you have to take some things into consideration. Not all don't happen because of "ducking" or "cherry picking" and I'm not saying you think that way, just making a point. Lewis was inactive for one year after his fight with Mike Tyson only to return early in 2003 to sign a fight with Kirk Johnson who was later replaced with Vitali Klitschko. Jones took on the active Ruiz at that point hoping he will score a fight with Mike Tyson after that one but changed to going back down for a rematch with Tarver and claimed he will again move up for Tyson as his last fight if all goes good. I know Lewis is the man to beat at that point and the real champion but Lewis was also getting to the end of his career and already stated he's mentally done with the sport after Tyson. Too many complications there to make the fight happen so easily.

Jones' resume is underrated at Light Heavy, the man beat all the champions the division had to offer and best fighters the division had to offer, he did what he had to do. Was there anyone in the division worth fighting that he didn't go for?, if so then sure he did cherry pick but that's not the case and he can't be blamed for making those fights look easy. A good example is how Tarver lost to Harding and Jones destroyed Harding after it. The guys he beat are solid opponents and the best Light heavy had to offer. As I asked, were there any at Light heavy he should have fought but didn't?, if so then sure he did cherry pick. You cherry pick when you take on safer opponents for decent money when there are tougher guys out there. Another good example is how Griffin beat Toney twice(I know the fights were close) yet got destroyed by Jones after the DQ in the first fight then went on to lose to Eric Harding. All I'm saying is his resume is packed with everyone he could have fought back then. All this cherry picking nonsense needs to be backed up with logical reasons.

I agree they picked the right/best fights, that's what all boxers do anyway. But was there any mega stars available, active and free that they could have fought but didn't?

All fighters usually "wait" on certain fights to make it bigger/better. A good example is how long Leonard and his team made Hearns wait before taking that fight. Hey, Leonard was also called a cherry picker for it believe it or not yet they proved all wrong when they took it at the right time with both names red hot, that's what made the fight more popular and worth more money. It's a business too, but if there were any mega starts RJJ or Mayweather could have fought but didn't then please inform me.

Thanks for the proper response by the way, love to discuss with open minded/smart fans. :good

 

I thought he had plans to fight 5 more times, and then hang it up?

 

Jones, was the fastest human being I ever seen. Imagine this if you will what if jones made 154 in the 1990s vs the mayweather who fought dlh. Mayweather is a incredble fighter...I just never seen anything like a peak jones.

 

Jones get too much stick, while Mayweather is getting just what he deserves.

 

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