Is Floyd Mayweather overrated??

Shot at the weight. Lost to Zahir Raheem just prior. You criticize Mayweather for fighting Mosley and DLH saying they were past, but atleast they were both coming off dominating KO victories. Morales was coming off a dominating UD loss to Zahir Raheem. A C level victory at best.

 

I've never even heard that phrase before...'shot at the weight'. Again, however, you seem to have a different definition for the term.

As for Raheem, I haven't even properly seen that fight, so I can't really comment on it. From the clip or two I've come across (and the sentiments on the forum) however, I assumed that it was mainly due to styles, and the fact that Raheem refused to engage and had a bad style for Morales (who loves to engage) to look good against. I think Morales being past his prime was certainly a factor, but once again, I definitely don't consider him as shot at that point.

 

Underrated. His ability is unquestionable.

 

well overrated by himsels, but underrated by most people.

 

i agree ,

you are either shot or not - weight has little to do with it . When Oscar fought Manny at 147 it wouldnt have mattered if it was at 154 or 160 Oscar still wouldnt be able to pull the trigger.

i think Morales just overlooked Raheem as a fill in fight before he fought Manny. Didnt train properley and fought out the hard way.

 

He's very overrated by his nuthuggers and casual fans who don't really dig deeper into the sport. He's a super talented fighter, and one fo the best defensive fighters ever no doubt. But his resume is lacking and he never seemed to get truly tested aside from a fight with Castillo, who wasn't exactly a great fighter.

 

I don't agree at all.

Most recent example, just look at what was happening to Devon Alexander? The weight cut was obviously (in light of his last performance) affecting his power AND stamina for his last couple of fights. Would I call him being "shot" at the lower weight? Not the word I'd use, but if he can't perform to standard, then he might as well be.

That Oscar example was terrible by the way.

The man was on an IV drip the previous night. If he came in healthy at a proper weight, would he have won? Who knows, but to say the same exact thing would have happened is completely disregarding the extreme measures in cutting to a weight he hadn't been at for 6-7 years.

 

He overrates himself. You can only rate a boxer relative to the opposition they've faced. I know, I know, for most *****s hypotheticals counts the same as actual fights...but in the real world it doesn't work that way. Sure it's easy to look great when dominating the likes of gatti/hatton types, but when you mouth off going as far as implying you're better than Ali or the Sugar Rays when the fool doesn't even have anyone of similar stauture in his resume then one can't help but get a mild chuckle at this man's deluded-ness.

 

The point was being shot , Alexander had outgrown the weight, there is a difference.

My point on Oscar was that yes the weight was a major factor , but Oscar hadnt been able to pull the trigger previously against a moving fighter for a while. Oscar was shot before he fought Manny.

I hope this explains it better.

 

Utter nonsense. Morales handed Junior Jones and Kevin Kelley their cookies. Morales was an excellent boxer, and Zahir Raheem was nothing more then a C level fighter who never amounted to anything.

A prime Morales would have blown Zahir Raheem out of the water like he did Junior Jones.

Morales was massively weight drained. A Roach and camp new it when Morales tried to move up to 135. I.e He was shot at the weight. Now he's far past his best. Occassionally he can look good against one dimensional fighters like Maidana and Diaz because they come forward in straight lines and he can rely on his veteran skills and chin to see him through. If Morales were to fight a Khan, Bradley or even a Kotelnik he'd get blown out the water.

Name one win against a top 10 opponent Morales has beaten since handing Pacquiao his ass in the 1st fight.

 

If the fighter can't perform at the weight, then what is the difference?

Since we're talking about weight cutting as is pertains to Morales, he simply couldn't perform at the lower weight, not that he couldn't perform at all. At that point, it's all about how you choose to word it, because in all reality, it's all the same in the end.

Pertaining to Oscar.

Oscar always had problems with movers, nothing new if you watched his whole career. Yes Oscar was done, but to say "he can't pull the trigger against a moving fighter" doesn't really make that point, imo.

 

Out grown the weight - can fight just not at that weight anymore.

Shot - cannot fight at any weight anymore.

This is the difference.

 

Let's just put it this way, he is only #2 in his own generation.

 

Marquez is #2. Money May is #1. :yep