Is Floyd piggy backing off the Mexican fanbase?

This goes back to the original argument. Mayweather has been doing 1M+ buys in his recent fights. You claim Oscar could sell well against **** opponents. However, all of Oscar's fights where he did 1M+ were against big named opponents. Hell, even the fights he did 500k+ were against big named opponents. He's done 300k+ against little known opponents, but so has Mayweather.

 

What do you consider seling well? Do you understand how ridiculous it is to use 1 mill as the bar? That's not realistic at all to suggest you need to do 1 mill to sell well.

Mayorga is not the standard for **** opponent. There is no standard. Quit trying to make a formula out of this so yo can apply it to floyd. Pretty obvious what you are doing.

 

the mexicans love mayweather. mayweather is part mexican.

 

Jesus...get over this 1 mill thing. I never mentioned 1 mill, and now all you do is keeping using that figure to mean something.

 

BigReg stop arguing with Lance. He'll say something, then you'll use his own statement to back what you're saying and use his logic and he'll go back and say how dumb it is

 

I used 1M because all of Mayweather's recent fights have been doing those sort of numbers. The fights were Oscar did those numbers were all against big named opponents. Oscar has not done many PPVs against little known fighters. The ones were he has have all done in the 300k-400k range.

Lance, you claimed Oscar could sell well against a **** opponent. To back that up, there has to be some sort of standard for what it means to sell well on PPV, and what is considered a **** opponent. Otherwise, I could just as easily come back to you and say that Oscar has only sold well against good opponents. It would be a pointless argument unless there was some sort of standard for what is considered selling well, and what is considered a **** opponent. If want to use 300k for the standard for selling well, that's fine with me. So I'll let you set the standard for what's selling well, and I'll also let you set the standard for what's considered a **** opponent. So you tell me what **** opponents Oscar has sold well against.

 

I'm glad you see what's going on here.

 

atsch Oh, OK...because of Floyd. Great, and why did I even ask that?

I don't have time for this. Here's the thing. DLH has sold 300-400K vs. Castillejo, Sturm, Campas and another if I recall correctly. You are obviously just trying to play some lame ass game and win. I could care less what you want to consider selling well or a **** opponent. I'm not like the fans here who think a PPV must sell 1 mill to be a success. That's pretty crazy.

Answer this, if Floyd isn't piggy backing off the Mexican fanbase, why does he fight on big Mexican holidays vs. Mexicans or in Shane's case, one they've seen a lot of. You and I both know he's doing to maximize his sales. DLH did it and didn't try to deny it. Just admit it. It won't make you less of a fan.

 

atsch Great, you and bball can just post back to each other telling each other what I am saying. You may not toss insults out Reg, but you have no qualms for throwing cheap shots of your own. Remember that next time you decide to complain about what I say....

 

I'm not sure what your point is here.

Ok, so you consider doing between 300-400K vs. the likes of Castillejo, and Strum selling well against **** opponents. Well Mayweather did between 300K-400K against Baldomir and Gatti. Wouldn't that then also be considered selling well against **** opponents by your standards?

Of couse Mayweather is trying to maximize sales, that's what every fighter(including Oscar) strives to do. The fact of the matter though is, Mayweather has a large base independant of his opponent. Mayweather doesn't need to fight a Mexican to do big numbers. If he was simply piggy backing off the Mexican fanbase, then his success would be highly dependant on fighting popular Mexicans. Obviously that helps, but it's not a neccesity. I remember reading an article where HBO exec Kerry Davis pointed out how a large number of the PPV buys from the Hoya fight came from Urban markets. Of course we know urban market is a euphamism for black households. Blacks spend a lot of money on boxing ppvs. Mayweather has done a great job marketing himself within the black community, which has helped to significantly raise his ppv numbers.

 

Of course he wants the Mexican fan base to buy his PPV. Just look at the undercard they're setting up.

 

Lance, your whole argument here makes very little sense. And all you've done here is taken cheap shots at me. I've tried my best to keep it civil.

 

Reg, is this all you are trying to do? Get confirmation from me that Floyd sold well vs. Baldomir? :huh Well, it's your lucky day. When I say 300-400k sold is good, that goes for whomever sold. And yes, that includes Floyd. :shock: And You anf I both know the Gatti PPV was just that, a Gatti PPV.

OK, the next time floyd fights and it's NOT on a Mexican Holiday or vs. an already big name opponent, we can re-visit this discussion. :deal Too bad that day will not come. We both know Floyd chooses his opponents and dates to fight in a very calculated manner. He knows what to do to get the most money. And if that means catering to a certain fanbase, so be it.

 

It's actually quite simple. You are the one making it all convulted, trying to create some formula to apply to Floyd's PPVs, and generally making a big deal outta nothing.

For you to say "All I've done is take cheap shots" tells me you need to back away for a while or something. All I've done? Go through our discussion and count em.

I swear, a cold breeze hurt the feeling of your floyd fans sometimes. atsch

 

It's a ****en waste of time Reg. First it was Pit, then Victor, and now you. It's getting effing embarrassing witnessing this ****