Is Floyds Resume One Of The Best Ever? Could you give me some insight, I'm not too familiar with it

Floyd NEVER notified USADA theyre the ones caught him red handed CHEATING!!!!!!

 

Consider how many fighters that have fought, and consider his accomplishments well past his prime and a lot of the time with unhealthy hands. Also, never lost. - Yeah, it's one of the best ever. Top 40 or so is nothing to sneeze at.

H2H at 130/135 is a different story though, where he is easily a contender there if it wasn't for guys like Duran, Williams, Montgomery, etc. Again, lack of footage hurts their credentials makes it hard to say. That's just the truth, being a top 10 H2H'er there is again, nothing to sneeze at.

 

I don't think we disagree very strongly, as I think they are close resume-wise. There are arguments that can be made for both fighters, I don't 'rank' one much higher than the other.

Some might point out that De La Hoya was a veritable zombie, he was so drained for Manny, etc etc. Some might point out that Floyd actually defeated Pac! Seems important to me. Or they might mention how Mayweather handled Pac's nemesis, JMM. Then someone will come back with the IV gate thing lol. And the Toradol thing and on and on.

I tend to not really consider these extraneous things and try to focus on what they were like as fighters in the ring. Floyd was more impressive as a fighter, he was simply better than Manny imo. They both are ATGs without a doubt, and rate pretty close together, overall.

 

If you're not cheating you're not trying BAYBAYYY!

 

Floyd and Manny were already dong random blood and urine. There's no masking drugs unless the saline drop was used more than once. This is silly

 

Floyd shouldve drawn against DLH and Maidana 1 and he flat out lost JLC1. That's not a knock on Floyd though but its important to be objective because there were moments where Floyd seemed to receive benefit of the doubt (aforementioned fights) while Manny seemed to get robbed (Bradley, Horn). Floyd beat a better version of Hatton and Mosley and fought a better version of DLH. Floyd also beat worse versions of JMM (skipped the catchweight) and Cotto. Floyd also beat Canelo who was still pre-prime but nonetheless a very significant win.

Manny took some losses early in his career and later lost to JMM, Floyd, and Ugas. Manny has won the most championships across the most weight classes ever in history of boxing - a literal embodiment of the figurative Pound for Pound list. He just about beat all of Floyd's best wins more convincingly than Floyd did in Hatton, DLH, and Mosley and he fought better versions of Cotto and JMM. Manny also had elite wins over prime versions of JMM, MAB, and Morales. He beat Bradley 3x, for all intents and purposes retired Margarito, and captured a championship at 39-40 years old (among the, if not the, oldest WW champ ever) against an undefeated opponent.

Manny lost to Floyd H2H and Floyd's win over Canelo shines brightly (even if pre-prime) but its hard to look past how small Manny started as a pro and the fact that he had a greater longevity than Floyd in addition to fighting more often. Manny had more elite wins and fought more champion opponents, too.

Again, they're both Top 15-20 fighters EVER. Floyd may even be the best defensive fighter EVER (along w Pep, Pernell, and mb even Rigo). As it stands today though Manny is the face of any Pound for Pound list as he won belts in more weight classes than any other boxer in history of the sport - a remarkable achievement. Manny simply accomplished more even if he lost H2H.

 

Yeah as much as Ellerbe & Floyd love going off & rebutting everybody & everything in their way there's one guy in Thomas Hauser who they don't go near & don't like even mentioning him as far as going to pretend of never hearing his name,

I mean this is the same guy that uncovered Floyd's failed USADA A samples throughout the years & how with the help of USADA they were covered up when he & Pacquiao were in litigation,

Lucky they settled very quickly once that information was bought to Pacquiao's legal teams attention & when Manny's lawyers asked for them to be presented they instead turned & opened bank to close the case with a undisclosed settlement, how ironic.

 

Lmao bro y’all are dumb as hell

 

min pretty sure almost every Floyd opponent in the last decade was coming off big wins lol, in some of the examples you listed like Oscar who many ppl think BEAT Mosley was coming off a win over the then #1 JMW and wbc champ Mayorga, Maidana was coming off a title winning performance when he beat TF outta Broner and took his 0, Cotto was coming off 3 straight stoppage wins including a win in the rematch over Margarito. Take a Guerrero who jumped up 2 weight classes and beat the hell out of 2 top 5 welters b2b if anything the man resume get underrated as a attempt to discredit what he did but the man beat HOF fighters in every division and is one of only 7 men to win titles in 5 or more divisions, one of 2 men to unified 3 welter titles and beat 3 different champions for their titles, retired unified WBC/WBA champ at 154 and WBC/WBA/WBO champion at 147 at the same time.

 

lol, kinda ridiculous standards, considering how little fighters fight nowadays.

 

de la Hoya last 5 fights he went 2-1 in his division with the 1 being a fight many think he won, moved up to his 6th weight classes went 1-1 but arguably went 0-2. Should have a win over Mosley should have a loss to strum. Only 2 men Oscar and Manny have ever won titles in 6 divisions so Oscar losing at 160 ain’t a big deal at 154 his actul weight class he had a stoppage win over campas, a 50/50 lost to Mosley that ppl think he won, and a stoppage win over mayaorga who was #1 at the weight.

again Maidana last 5 fights 4-1 had UD loss in his first fight at a new weight under a new trainer then went 4-0 knocking out 2 contenders culminating in him winning the title in a savage beat down of Adrian Broner.

roger Guerrero was unbeaten for 10yrs going into the fight jumped from 134 to 147 hjs first 2 fights he faced 2 top 5 welters b2b and beat tf outta them both. That’s like if michal Rivera the little fake Ali kid this year moved from 135 to 147 and beat up staniois and Thurman b2b that’s impressive as hell. You can do this for almost every opponent everybody has losses if you fight enough great fighters and hell even throughout history even great fighters have off nights. Only guy whose opponents get praised before but discredited after is Floyd.

when Mosley jumped in the ring after the Marquez fight ppl said Floyd was scared and would run and that Mosley was harder then Manny he beat that boy a$$ and instantly became a shot old bum who Floyd waited to get old even tho Floyd was calling the man out at 135 and Mosley had a toothache so he couldn’t fight lol

 

Hearns hadn't really beat anyone though.

PS - Duran beating SRL and SRL beating Hagler are possibly two of the top 7 best wins EVER...let that sink in. So yah, youre being a bit ridiculous.

 

Irrelevant.

Sparring mode and pro mode is two different approach. Mayweather is known to have difficult time in sparring against many. This is part of his training also.