Is Freddie Roach overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Seckah, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. So when the fighters win,it's because they're good and when they lose,Freddy Roach is the problem?
     
  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    tough to say if he made the fighters or the fighters made him
     
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    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    If you seen my posts, I been holding emmanuel as the the reason for why Juan beat him.

    That doesn't mean roach wasn't rated too highly.
     
  4. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    who did he take from the ground up mickey rourke
     
  5. hussleman

    hussleman Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes he is overrated. He is good but not great. His fighters success are sometimes due to good matchmaking ( Pacman, Khan).
     
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    Ringnut Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So given that we're judging Roach's ability as a trainer solely on Khan and Pac, which other trainer would have made those 2 fighters better than they are even now?
     
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    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    Parkinson has nothing to do with his brain functionality to think and adjust...kill that ****.
     
  8. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    He is still a one handed fighter who leaps in with his punches and his offense is he defense.
     
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    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    one handed fighter my ass...

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  10. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    I think his two prominent fighters, Pacquiao and Khan, have very similar abilities (brilliantly athletically gifted, very quick, and both have high stamina) and have been taught to fight in a very similar style.

    This style imo, is very potent against the right opponents but is also very flawed, especially defensively, and there seems to be no plan b, and his fighters don't seem to be able (or haven't been taught) to make adjustments during the bout.
     
  11. jeromejones

    jeromejones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All those punches are from the same hand...
     
  12. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    i think roach doesnt change a fighter but works on their strengths and bad habits...

    why would roach impose an inside game to khan when he has a weak chin and has mobility to turn opponents...
     
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    The pictures shows PAC using his right hand because before Roach he was a left-crazy one dimensional slugger. You don't know sh!t about baaaaxin'!
     
  14. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The problem is that he was so vastly overrated for so long that now it looks like he's a bum because he has looked bad recently. It's a fair argument to point out that despite three shots at Marquez, Roach was ultimately not able to make any game winning adjustments. That looks bad on him as a trainer.
     
  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    More than anything, I think his fighters' competition are underrated, making their own struggles look much worse than they are. Khan being said to have been "exposed" coincides with the fact that Peterson would be called a "bum" by critics, had he not won. Maidana is also just a "bum" with no skill. Pacquiao shouldn't have lost to JMM because he had been struggling with "B level fighters" in Katsidis and Diaz, despite the fact they were the top contenders in their division. Then there's Linares, who should not be discredited at all for fighting how he did against DeMarco.

    Sure, each has their flaws and Roach is partly to blame, but they're not struggling against nobodies here; they're being challenged and beat in competitive fights by the elite.