Is Fury a hype job?

You're bang on mate. I would expect someone like Whyte to bang them out but I'd also expect him to be bossing the fight to an extent up to that point of stopping them. Whereas Wilder can look like he's completely out of it, can be out boxed, bullied, on wobbly legs all in one fight then pull the big shot out and win. He definitely has great power, maybe not necessarily all time great power but it's enough to turn a fight on its head against the current crop.

I'm confident he would lay Parker out. His chin is a bit of a myth. He's hard to put down because he's on the backfoot a lot but Whyte and Chisora have both managed that. Joshua probably would have done as well if the ref allowed them to have a fight.

 

I think Wilder is such a poor technical boxer and has bailed himself out so many times with his punching power, that it's fair to say he's notable puncher. It's also remarkable that he knocked out just about everyone he did fight, and they weren't all complete dive artists. Most fighters get taken the distance a few times coming through or a few more times at a higher level (Whyte, for example, didn't KO Helenius or Wach).

He might hit as hard as the hardest hitters of all time but he doesn't deserve to be on the list, based on opposition.
He does deserve to be regarded as probably the hardest one-punch hitter out there right now though.

His KOs of Ortiz are being a little bit underrated, I feel.
Ortiz was in just about everyone's top 5 at the time of their first fight.
I do get the whole "Ortiz is overrated" thing, but let's be real here, Joseph Parker has proved to be very overrated too, (not least by myself).

 

I don't think Fury is a hype job but it is crazy how popular the heavyweight division is now, when you look at how relatively little these fighters have actually done.
Personality contrasts and social media has gone a long way to help.

I doubt Fury, Joshua or Wilder will ever do enough to be regarded as true all-time greats but they definitely have achieved great wealth and fame, Joshua and Fury especially.

 

I held the same opinion mate. What you fail to understand though is this is a hardcore boxing fan forum and you are a hardcore fan.

The vast majority of the general public and the bookies had it 50/50 or Wilder the favourite in both fights

 

Fury were an underdog in the first fight for the obvious reason that he was just 6 months back from that 2 1/2 layoff and hadn't impressed at all. He rushed into the Wilder fight.

After the first fight it was clear to all knowledgeable fans that he'd do better against Wilder in a rematch. Wilder had failed to beat him at his worst, so if he got 'match fit', it would be a one-sided win for Fury.

However .... the Wallin fight, he looked pretty much washed-up ........ and then changing his trainer about two months before the fight. That's where it was reasonable again to doubt his chances in the rematch.

 

I agree in some ways scissors that he hasn’t stopped anyone who’s proven to have some elite chin and his resume is trash.

but one part I disagree with is the whyte comment, I think it’s other way round if anything like whyte went the distance with wach Helenius Dave Allen Rivas and I think wilder would stop all of them.

 

Really good to see that Fury has posted on Instagram that he's going 'offline' now and has started camp. Perhaps Big John's message got through somewhat.

Hope he sticks to his word and takes it seriously - he cannot afford to be complacent here.

 

I think he knows he needs 6 or 7 weeks of seriously training.
To be fair, he's spent most of the last couple of weeks with his wife and kids, it seems. So I think people are a bit off the mark when they were worried he was gone off the rails.

 

It's funny how everyone jumps to conclusions and gets really worried about Fury. You hear it before every fight he has.

He always fools people into believing that he isn't ready to fight.

 

It was starting to work on me, I was concerned he was spending far too much time schmoozing and enjoying himself. 8 weeks of camp, seeing as he's been training to tick over anyway, should be fine.

 

Yesterday he was turning his phone off for the next 8 weeks.. tonight he’s promoting the Fury Diet Plan

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Hopefully he is focused on the Wilder fight but I’m not seeing it

 

In fairness it’s not necessarily him posting that, it even says at the bottom it’s his management. He never spells or uses grammar anywhere near as well as that anyway.

Feasible that video could’ve been filmed a while back to be posted when it’s released.

 

There's probably no harm is maintaining an online presence in commercial matters like that, or spending a few minutes to sell his product or whatever. Training camps have a lot of down time anyway.
If he was posting from a night club in the middle of the night, that would be more of a concern.

I think he'll be ready for Wilder.
Fury knows as well as anyone that Wilder is a dangerous proposition any time.

 

I think once Fury has the measure of a man he will always beat him. His record in rematches is very impressive, at a good level too.

McDermott 1 - Wins a highly contest decision a lot of people had him losing. In the rematch he has somewhat an awful camp (remember the “ONLY PAUL BUTLIN!!!!” Interview afterwards), allegedly the arena was roasting and he manages to outgun and stop Big John.

Chisora 1 - wins a good decision probably 8-4 on the scorecards. In the rematch doesn’t lose a second of the fight and brutally beats up and stops him.

Wilder 1 - Boxes well on the backfoot, but is put down twice and its scored a draw. Rematch he bulldozes him.

I think the onus is on Wilder to change tactics, but realistically, what can he do? In the second Ortiz fight Wilder changed nothing, and lost every single round - in the first fight he was winning by a point on all 3 judges scorecards at the time of stoppage. Changed nothing in the second Fury fight and got slapped for it.

 

Thing is with Wilder.
He can really punch.
It only takes one moment, a best-punch-of-his-career moment, to completely upset the form book.
I'd put the odds of it happening at around 10%, maybe less, 5%.
Still, until Fury's arm is raised, it remains a compelling factor, a possibility.

Would be terrible result for Fury, if it happened. Fury already ought to be 2-0 against him and if Wilder wins there's no rematch guaranteed. In fact, if Wilder somehow wins, I think a 4th match would be something Wilder's team avoid forever if possible.