Is Fury more skilled than Bivol and Opetaia

Nobody will be talking about Fury in 50 years. He has a resume that will age like milk. He spent most of his prime in the boozer, should've lost to a cagefighter and John McDermott, and got absolutely slapped from pillar to post by a blown-up middleweight. He's nowhere near the pantheon of greats, so unless people are talking about failed drug tests or boxers' biggest attention seekers or a documentary about the Irish mafia, I don't see how he will be getting brought up 20 years from now, never mind 50 to 100.

In answer to the thread, Bivol is streets ahead of Fury. If someone like Beterbiev P4P were operating at heavyweight, he would've steamrolled Fury in about 6 rounds.

 

P4P is just cope for the fact that Fury would knock Beterbiev’s face off with one punch had they ever actually fought.

Also I hope the blown-up MW you are talking about is not Usyk.

 

Beterbiev vs Fury would probably be a lot more competitive than you think. Luke got dropped by a cage fighter with no pro boxing experience, got sat down by Steve Cunningham, a fairly light-punching cruiserweight, and lost to John McDermott, so the idea that a guy who floored Usyk in the amateurs wouldn't have success seems optimistic. The blown-up MW is what Fury said, not me; I'm just quoting him.

 

You may have a point, but Usyk would disagree with you there.

 

I'd put the guy who lost to an MMA fighter in last.

 

Fury was also pretty green in both fights, so not really a fair comparison.

 

Few heavyweights are more skilled than elite fighters in lower divisions.

 

All three have elite skills. Fury's skills are more deceptive because of his size.

 

It geniunely wouldn’t even be close unless Fury really blew it and came to the ring at 300 lbs, he’d straight up bully Beterbiev.

 

Fury is way more skilled than the maori. Fury has actually beaten genuinely high level boxers and was very competitive with Usyk, the best boxer of all time probably. The maori fought a RUGBY PLAYER not too long ago and people are criticising Fury's opponents? Fury would be destroyed for that choice as a ranked pro.

Bivol is a LHW so it's not really fair to compare skills with a SHW. Of course all skilled fighters up to LHW are faster and more coordinated and so on compared to giants. Fury is more versatile though and for his size he is more skilled relatively speaking. He is more skilled compared to other SHWs than Bivol is compare to other LHWs.

As for the HGH testosterone factory from chechnya, Fury would destroy Beter.
This is a guy who is taking punches from and wrestling 6'5+ SHW's. It's not just Wlad and Wilder he got cracked by either, he also got decked by Price as a 17 year old and got up to continue.
Beter is scared to fight Uysk at HW and he's going to trouble Fury, no.
Also Cunningham is way bigger than Beter and probably hits harder. Cunningham was 6'2 210lbs without any fat. He also stopped Huck, so he has decent power when he sits on punches.
Beter is a career LHW, 5'10, probably drains from 185-190lbs.

Fury versus a 190lb fighter with short arms. Look how much trouble Hammer had even connecting. Beter is utterly destroyed.

 

Nope

Make them all the same size and see who would win. It would be Bivol every time.

That's how pound for pound work.

Styles make fights.

 

No.

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Bivol is on the absolute highest tier of skill set in this modern era of boxing regardless of weight class. Opetaia also appears to be very high on the skill set tier among his own weight and even others. Fury is high.............for a HW. What he does would not look as impressive if he were say a MW, SMW or LHW, he would look awkward (he looks awkward even at HW). Bivol and Opetaia pass the eye test compared to how others in lower classes operate (move, throw, evade, etc). Your first sentence said the most "incredible versatility for a big man"

note: Opetaia is going to make a very good HW one day

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This is not really fair though, Fury is 6’7 and 265 lbs, it’s physically impossible for him to move as coordinated and flexible as Opetaia and Bivol, he can be more skilled and he’d still look worse. If you kept Bivol and Opetaia’s skill level exactly the same and made them 6’7 265 lbs they wouldn’t be able to do any of the things they are doing now, and if you made Fury a 6’0 / 6’2 LHW / CW he’d look so much more refined and coordinated. I think its less about who looks more fluid and more about who’s actually more effective.

I can accept Bivol being more skilled from the Beterbiev matches alone but Opetaia hasn’t done enough.

 

it's about the combo of skill and physical attributes. but yes, Fury is absolutely the best ever at his size.