Is Fury not dipping for Part II the easiest adjustment any fighter has ever had to make in a rematch

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Has there ever been this easy, obvious, or Central adjustment in rematch history?

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  1. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Fury dipping isn't the problem its when he stops moving. Davison practically begged Fury for lateral movement in the 12 round and instructed Fury not to stand in front of Wilder, who is extremely dangerous when he has a big stationary body in front of him, but Fury didn't listen and got timed.
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury can win if he does not engage at all and just fight a jabbing fight and concentrate. But he went down rather easily the two times he went down. Just flash knockdowns, but that second time could have very well been it.
     
  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see both Wilder and Furys first intention on being having a rematch. Wilder has already admitted in his recent interview he has no interest in fighting AJ whilst he also texted Whyte the similar a while ago.
     
  4. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Fair enough. Yes, there is an argument. You've done a good job articulating it. I've been consistent in saying I don't think it can or should be removed entirely from his repertoire against Wilder, just that it should be substantially downplayed. There are a number of strong data points suggesting that. His size and bulk advantage really helped in the clinch and contributed to Wilder's greatly increased fatigue in the latter points of the fight. Instead of dipping as much, he should use that more. He has done that before in previous fights (less dipping, more clinching). And yes, Cunningham and I think Pajkic got him without Fury using the dipping. But it appeared more of an issue of surprise for him in those. They were vastly smaller than him and I don't think he had ever anticipated them getting him in that manner. Here, he was very aware of the closer margins stemming from Wilder's much greater length than them, and well prepped to maintain that distance, which his greater length afforded him, expertly.

    I don't think its a cure all, I said from the beginning its possible Wilder could still nail him otherwise. But I do think there is a great many data points that suggest a dramatic increase in the use of leaning back and retreating at range, as well as clinching, and a dramatic decrease in various dipping techniques, would benefit him a lot against Wilder. Especially since the most obvious and likely adjustment Wilder will make is to try to better his timing for those dips, since it was where he had the most success with before. Can you admit that there is at lease an argument to greatly minimize his various dipping techniques?
     
  5. PunchersChance.

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    Without the dipping Wilder would’ve been landing a lot more right hands than he did.
     
  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Body punches worked. Every time Wilder threw a hook to the body it landed and forced Tyson onto the ropes aand Wilder promptly went head hunting again. Wilder could win with a sustained committed body attack. https://i.imgur.com/hkM8dMB.mp4
     
  7. Gomo

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    It's always great to look in hindsight and say don't do this or that. But fury probably made that same movement dozens of times and didn't get caught.

    Just let fury fight how he fights...try to not someone thing and he will end up getting caught doing another....it's a 12 round fight....it's almost impossible not to get hit clean at somepoint.

    It's a very dangerous game fury plays with wilder...a simple game of hit me if you can.

    A lot of it is Is simply throw enough mud at the wall and something will stick from wilder
     
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  8. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Wilders problem is he can't adjust, he's as dumb as rocks and has zero boxing brains. That was the best version of fury he could have hoped to fight, but fury will be better prepared and sharper next time.
     
  9. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the thing that makes me laugh about Wilder is he thinks he was 50% and Fury was 100% and Tyson cant possibly improve on what he did. he got it the wrong way round.
     
  10. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Good point. I posted in another thread the second best chance Wilder had was going to the body more earlier in the fight. I don't think it was as effective as you think, but I agree it appeared to be the second most effective thing he did. If he focused on the body in the first half of the fight, it could soften Fury up for later and make him anticipate the head hunting less later on. Easier said than done though.
     
  11. andrewa1

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    Not if he A. retreated back when at an appropriate distance (which wasn't infrequent) or B. Immediately went into a clinch (which covers most of the other time he dipped). Between using these two tactics more, he could vastly reduce his reliance on dipping.
     
  12. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Ah sure, the dipping was definitely effective but I agree that not abandoning it but replacing it at times would be better for avoiding those power shots.
    I believe a fully fit Fury could turn south-paw and circle right with the jab avoiding Wilder's right hands no probs.
    Fury did do this for a short period but was clearly lacking the confidence and sharpness to maintain it.
    Fury I believe felt that a stiff counter right was needed to keep Wilder off him and I think he was wise to stay in his comfort zone. Throwing a South paw left can leave Fury slightly more open if not as strong as his right but Fury does have the skills, just needs a full camp for training specifically for Wilder and he will win even more convincingly.
     
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  13. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Sounds like we agree more than disagree.
     
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  14. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Completly agree with that like made wilder look poor (because he is). But wilders team let him down imo why wasnt he encouraged to work the body? Furys liver must be ready to rupture nearly 3 years on the sesh/drink a couple of body shots when he was holding/grabing and i could of been different, he cant of been conditioned enough to take a blow to the liver/kidney and wilder didnt throw it. Cant stand wilder btw terrible champion, but he was definatly let down by the fight plan, dont think he will see fury in that condition again.