Is Fury the new Ike Ibeabuchi?

I don't believe the mental BS. All a scam to keep getting support when he does dumb ****. Just like Spence, where's the proof. A letter ftom a doctor?

 

Ike Ibeabuchi never won anything in the amateurs. He never won anything in the pros.

Tyson Fury has won all the major titles at heavyweight WBO, WBC, IBF, WBA and was presented with TWO Ring Heavyweight Championships belts signifying him as a two-time WORLD Heavyweight champion.

Tyson Fury is married with a whole tribe of children. Ike kidnapped a prostitute and tried to kill his girlfriend's son.

Tyson Fury dresses like Batman during press conferences, Ike grabbed a steak knives and terrified patrons of a restaurant as he angrily stabbed the table with them when he grew frustrated with his career.

Tyson Fury felt himself mentally unraveling and sought treatment so he wouldn't injure himself further. Ike was forcibly imprisoned because he was a danger to everyone, particularly anyone left alone with him in a car or a hotel room.

They don't even look alike. (LOL)

I have no idea how you came up with this comparison ... but no, Tyson Fury is not the new Ike Ibeabuchi.

Literally, the only reason why people still talk about Ike Ibeabuchi is he NEVER BECAME Tyson Fury ... he never fought for or won any belts. And they wonder "what could have been" if Ike could've managed his demons and continued his career.

Tyson Fury did manage his demons, fought for all the belts ... and won them all.

 

It's interesting how the "fossilized remains" of Wlad after being beaten and dethroned at home, having his 22 win streak ended, 17 months of additional aging and inactivity at 41 and fighting away from home could have 27.5 year old, active and undefeated amateur star and world champion AJ out on his feet in his backyard in the 6th and only fail to win due to his own cautiousness and naivety. This considerably inferior version of Wlad threw and landed far more punches against AJ and won most of the rounds, despite the general wisdom being that AJ is a far better counterpuncher and harder hitter than Fury. Wlad sustained relatively little damage over the years due to his defensive proficiency and was freakishly motivated and focused, hence why he put together such a long run and why he was in such good condition. The idea that he was "unmotivated" against a challenger as insulting and dangerous as Fury (his longtime trainer had marked Fury as a serious threat years before) is a ridiculous excuse.

Why was Wlad "gunshy"? Because Fury was too long, too evasive, too fast and could sustain it: Fury was rarely there to be hit as Wlad acknowledged post-fight and Wlad was worried about Fury's counters. If Wlad had gone for it more he would have taken a lot more shots and risked gassing out and he was at a disadvantage against the bigger and more well-rounded Fury on the inside. An inferior version of Wlad landed much more on AJ because AJ was there to be hit. The fight is boring only in retrospect or if you don't like Fury but as a boxing performance it was an ATG; no one even came close to outboxing Wlad before Fury pitched a virtual shutout on a spongy canvass in Germany. Great fighters have the ability to "bummify" even very good opponents: Haye was an elite cruiser and very fast but he couldn't really do anything against Wlad. Wlad had the same problems with Fury.

Unless Wilder was right about being drugged, there is no reason to believe there was "no power in his shots". It was the same old Wilder; he just wasn't able to deal with Fury's pressure and inside fighting and Fury was able to evade, roll with or take the bombs that Wilder landed. Fury was also an underdog going into this fight just as he had been going into the Wlad fight (though much less so against Wilder) and Wilder was rated as the 1st or 2nd best heavyweight in the world along with Fury by every mainstream boxing publication after AJ lost to Ruiz. Wlad "only" had 3/4 of the major belts but he was universally regarded as the best heavyweight. So on both occasions Fury beat the No.1 heavyweight (aside from himself) as the underdog, on both occasions in their backyards. If Fury's efforts were "uninspiring" then there has never been an inspiring title run.

The only part that I agree with you on is that Fury has not reached his potential with such extended periods of inactivity and the massive abuse of his body but to have achieved what he did in spite of this is remarkable, unparalleled in heavyweight history. After all, Ali was out for a similar amount of time but he didn't come to despise boxing, become morbidly obese, addicted to hard drugs or suicidally depressed. Conversely, Ike had two promising wins against decent contenders and did absolutely nothing aside from that: unlike Fury he never made a successful comeback years later, let alone win a championship, let alone two. The similarities (failing to reach one's potential and mental health problems) are thus only accurate on the surface level.

 

Another one that believes all he reads.LOL Did you ever meet Ike ? NO Well I knew him the whole time he was training in Dallas with the late great Curtis Cokes. Curtis transformed Ike from a crude brawler into a consumate boxer puncher. Keeping him in jail heavily sedated for over a year badgering him to plead guilty, to something he swears he did not do, certainly didnt help his mental stability

 

All the above BS doesnt alter the fact. Ike at 100% knocks Fury out COLD!!

 

I'd say Fury had more power in the second fight because he was putting on weight while training on putting more weight in his shots while turning his punches over and him constantly leaning on Wilder exhausted him and made his own shots more effective. I favor Fury to beat any version of Wilder. However i will say this, Fury is not good for boxing. He's really pissing me off. Recently it's been confirmed by big John that Fury pulling out of this Wilder fight is possible. In addition to that he's dragged on the Wilder fight for a while. He also didn't give Wlad his contractually obligated rematch and besides Wilder he hasn't fought anyone in the top 15 in the last 5-6 years and instead fights plumber Schwartz and a cherrypick almost gone wrong against Otto Wallin.

 

1. What world-class pro experience did Fury have when he fought Wlad? Chisora? Cunningham? Hammer? Only Cunningham could really be considered elite but he was an elite cruiser, not an ultra-dominant SHW champion. It wasn't just that Wlad dropped AJ; it was that he outboxed AJ for the majority of the fight and had AJ out on his feet for several rounds.

2. Wlad had a low punch output because Fury outclassed him. If Wlad was shot against Fury then the dethoned, 17 months older and inactive Wlad fighting away from home should have been well beyond shot and 27.5 year old AJ shouldn't have had any problems. The claim of unmotivation is common from AJ fans because it's marginally more plausible that claiming that a clearly more handicapped Wlad suddenly became much better when fighting AJ 17 months later. This is more palatable to them than facing the possibility that Fury was or is a lot better than AJ. Another claim would be that Fury matched up far better stylistically to beat Wlad but I think the styles argument is overrated. Focusing on styles ignores body type (where styles largely come from) and quality.

3. Many people do claim that AJ is a better counter-puncher, it's probably the conventional wisdom. Like you I don't agree but I also don't think he's better on the inside. If AJ was a better counter-puncher then it would be harder to explain why Wlad was so much less "gunshy" but it's hard to explain for AJ fans anyway considering that AJ is the harder puncher.

4. There weren't enough big heavies with technical skills because such a breed didn't exist until the 90's and even then there were only two of them (Bowe, Lewis) and I don't think brothers should be under any obligation to fight. Had the Klitschko's not been there the era would have been extremely competitive and rated much more highly. There was also an element of American chauvinism there as well, when the infusion of talent from the Soviet block obviously raised standards. It's like Khabib in the UFC: he bummified all of his opposition but now he's retired the division looks strong and highly competitive again, even though objectively it's a lot weaker with Khabib out of the picture. Wlad actually faced and beat a greater diversity of styles and bodytypes than any previous HW champion: Wlad faced good pressure fighters, movers, jabbers, southpaws, snipers, hybrids etc. I don't remember Wlad being deducted a point against Haye, it was Haye who had a KD scored against him. Which round was it? Maybe you're thinking of the Jennings fight. The Povetkin fight was dreadful but Wlad is hardly unique: Lewis and Ali used a lot of holding and rarely if ever got deducted points. Maybe Ali would have lost all three against Frazier if the rules had been enforced differently. We are still not far removed enough from the Klitschko era to make an objective assessment but I think the 2011 top 5 of: Wlad, Vitali, Povetkin, Haye, Pulev compares well to 1995: Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Moorer. The thing is that so long as there is a very big, long and fast heavyweight with a good engine and skills, he will be able to utilise a jab, move and grab style. Fury did this to Wlad minus the holding, which Wlad largely initiated. Fury didn't need to grab Chisora or Hammer because they were too stubby and slow.

5. Wilder looked unsure of himself because Fury put it on him and wasn't expecting it at all. He thought Fury would do the same thing he did against Wlad and himself in the first fight, wary of the power. But Fury changed the game and Wilder had no answer. Wilder seemed to be nervous before the fight but that didn't come from nowhere either and his balance and co-ordination aren't his strongest suits at the best of times. Wilder wasn't even badly outboxed in the 2nd round, again it was that Wilder was facing a better opponent than anyone he'd faced previously who was coming at him with a completely different gameplan than the one he expected and couldn't deal with. Fury did hurt Wilder in the first fight but he was largely fighting on the backfoot, not sitting down on hit shots, was 15 lbs lighter and was considerably weakened by the layoff, junk food, drugs, mental problems etc. Fury has always had more power than people gave him credit for as could be seen against Cunningham, Chisora and Hammer, the latter two being on the backfoot.

6. If you find Fury's road to dethroning massive favourite 22 defence Wlad in Germany, beating him at his own game minus the clinching and then coming back from all of his problems to destroy 10 defence Wilder in America to be uninspiring then that's up to you. People who don't like Fury will generally agree, people who like him will completely disagree.

7. But why did Ike go to prison? By any objective standard he was a more deranged and destructive person than Fury, as has already been detailed in this thread.

 

Wilder had a torn left bicep in the rematch. He couldn't use his left jab to set up the right. That was the primary problem. Junior Fa, his sparring partner, confirmed Wilder was injured before the fight. Wilder had surgery after the fight to repair the arm. Also widely reported.

You've spoken about the Fury-Wilder rematch repeatedly in the past week or so in threads I've posted on, and you ALWAYS LEAVE THAT INJURY OUT. (Lol)

Fury didn't "change the game" so much as he realized he had an injured guy in front of him and stepped up the pace. Without the left, Wilder couldn't set up the right and Fury could see it coming a mile away.

If Fury was the one who lost, and everyone found out afterward Fury had a torn left bicep, that would probably not be left out of every mention of the fight. Just a guess, but I think I'm probably right. When a guy needs surgery to repair an injury, it's an issue.

Wilder (with two arms) performed better in the first fight. I'm sure he'll do even better in the third. Having two fully functioning arms will definitely help.

 

Fury won ALL the heavyweight title there are to win and he defeated two of the longest reigning heavyweight champions this century to win them.

Ike won nothing.

No comparison.

 

It's interesting then that Wilder blamed his costume, the referee, his trainer spiking his water and virtually everything else under the sun other than his torn bicep lol. Who knows; maybe Fa was trying to cover for Wilder or maybe Wilder tore his bicep in the fight as he apparently did against Arreola.

I don't think Wilder's performance in the first fight was very good when considering that Fury had been 2.5 years inactive, morbidly obese and having to shed 10 stone, detoxing from a coke binge and recovering from a serious and extended bout of depression. Most observers believed that Wilder was lucky to get a draw at home against a very debilitated version of Fury. Didn't Wilder also claim that he had a broken hand going into the first fight? The guy is either a delusional excuse machine, exceptionally brittle at this stage of his career or both.

 

No, what's funny is he talked about the injury A LOT, and his sparring partner talked about it, and his surgery was reported everywhere ... but it was easier to ridicule him if people left that out.

Talking about the costume is funnier. Painting him as a poor sport is funnier.

Acknowledging an actual injury that required surgery to repair -- and acknowledging most fighters need two arms to win - takes away from "insulting" him. (Sort of like you just did.)

 

Link to Wilder talking about his torn bicep before the rematch.

Wilder was the one who talked about his bicep, the racially-biased black American referee, the "disloyal trainer" etc.

 

Wilder didn't fight a morbidly obese, coke binging, inactive heavyweight. If he'd fought THAT guy, I'd agree.

But Fury was the most active top-level heavyweight in 2018. Fury fought a great fight against Wilder in their first meeting. It was arguably the best performance of Fury's career to that point.

Again, people LIKE to describe as a morbidly obese, inactive cokehead when talking about the Fury who Wilder fought him the first time, because if THAT guy had shown up and took Wilder the distance, that would be terrible.

But that wasn't the guy Fury fought that night. And you can't say Wilder dropped Fury twice and drew with Fury in Fury's best performance up to that time ... because you CAN'T INSULT WILDER if you do.

So, Wilder fought an obese, inactive cokehead (even though the films clearly show Fury fought great that night).