Is Fury top 10 heavyweight atg if he beats Usyk in december

Context matters beating a washed up 40 year old is not the same as beating them in their prime... and apperantly Fury was so afraid of the rematch he made up injuries to avoid a 40 year old fighter. And as you never addressed he is a steroid cheat caught red handed.

 

Wasn't 40 but ok.

Injuries happen. Unless there's proof he made it up there's no real substance to that claim.

Never excused him for popping dirty, but you'd have to discuss that with the drug agency because they dropped the ball. I'd be surprised if most weren't on some form of cycle tbh.

 

He would have to beat Usyk, Joshua, and Dubois.

 

Yeah that's fair. I'd love to see him against some of the rising stars as well.

 

Everything is debatable

You know that

But you act like nobody questioned Vlad before the Fury fight

They did, that part isn't debatable

 

I'm not switiching the goalpoast, I'm going back to the original one. Beating Wlad and remaining undefeated 9 year after that doesn't make Fury stand in the rankings higher than him Who did he beat? How many title defences he had? How many times did he defeat his number 1 contender? How many Top 10 did he beat? Fury's resume is laughable comparing to Wlad. Just like Buster's resume is laughable comparing to Tyson's.

 

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I respect your opinion though.

 

He'll have to beat Usyk twice, otherwise it's a fluke.
After beating Usyk twice, Usyk will be considered overrated though.
So then Fury will have to beat AJ.
Of course then we'll remember Dubious beat AJ as did Usyk and Ruiz ... he wasn't good.
So then Fury will have to beat Dubious, who is the future.
Oh, wait, Dubious got stopped by Joyce and Usyk.
So then Fury will have to beat the Croatian who beat Zhang who beat Joyce who beat Dubious.
But the Croatian wasn't the same after Dubious beat him.
We forgot that Fury has to beat the MMA fighter better also, to save boxing.
But that guy is shot now, near forty.
So Fury will have to beat the current UFC champ.
Ah, not fair, that guy isn't a good boxer.

Maybe an easier question for boxing fans is this: Should Mike Tyson be above Tyson Fury after getting beaten by a Youtuber? And would Tyson Fury in his late 50s lose to Jake Paul?

 

Hell no

 

No.

Fury beat Wlad in 2016, didn't he, if i remember correctly.

He had lots of years to unify with Joshua. Fact is if Fury played his cards right, he could have unified vs Joshua before 2020, beaten a bunch of top contenders, make 8-10 successful defenses, and solidified himself as the best of his era before Usyk could even move up and challenge him. Fury could have risen onto the sunset by 2021 and solidified himself as an all time top 10 guy. Alas he didn't.

 

If Fury fought a decent youtuber in his late 50's that was about the same height as him, i doubt he would win. Paul is only 6'1 so i doubt he could beat Fury as he would struggle to keep distance but a 6'7 Youtuber with Paul's ability would likely beat 58 year old Fury.

I don't see any reason why a 58 year old Tyson, who has had numerous health problems, should be judged for the Jake Paul fight.

 

Klitschko was 39, not 40.

When was Klitschko's prime? When he was being stitched up by Puritty, Sanders, or Brewster? Or was it when he was beating the likes of Leapai, Austin, Mormeck or so on?

 

2005 to 2012, from after the Brewster fight when he was finally shaped up by Emanuel, to his untimely death. He beat Peter & Byrd, rematched Brewster, beat Ibragimov, beat Chagaev, beat Chambers and beat Haye.

 

Couldn't Joshua also not made more of an effort?

Where are these magic contracts? Not rubbish that Aj and hearn spout, but real contracts

Aj was the biggest name in the sport but somehow he didn't fight Fury or wilder.

Yes he tool on Usyk, he led him to believe he wasn't a great heavy with his performance against Chisora. He fought him a second time, because like Fury, where else could he go?
Also seems to have ducked out of a rematch with Dubois hoping Fury will throw him a bone

I get the thread is about Fury and not all your points are wrong, but you Aj fans are a little hypocritical when it comes to Fury

He won't imo beat usyk in a few weeks, but if he does? Then he may not be top 10 but as it stands he will certainly be the best since Wlad. Right now that's usyk, but if they are 1-1 then Fury has to go down as the great heavy until they fight again, due to how many fighters he beat at the weight

Beating wlad and Wilder for titles means more than beating aj twice and Dubois

 

You said Wilder would have a good chance at 1 shotting most of the notable 80s Heavyweights and I gave you the list of notable 80s Heavyweights and showed you Wilders losing record vs ranked opposition and the fact he fought mostly poor opposition. Which in turn means most of those opponents I mentioned would be 98 percent better than most of Wilders resume so it's not realistic to think Wilder beats most of them.

Hence you were being intellectually dishonest about Wilders H2H capabilities to make Fury look better because you're a fan of Fury.

Secondly you have not proven that Furys list of best wins are really any better than Douglas's best wins Douglas beat 4 former/future champions where as Fury has only beaten 2.

Lastly your original comment in this thread you said Fury deserves to be in the 10 for beating an old Wladimir which logically doesn't really make sense because there's countless examples of fighters beating old established champions and neither of them are in the top 10 in their weightclass. Plus Fury doesn't have the resume to be in the top 10 regardless he is a long way off any all time top 10 Heavyweight in regards to beating ranked fighters.