Is Fury vs Seferi for the lineal title?

IKR. Wilder has made a career out of pathetic soft touches and AJ although alot better still has feasted on Wilders left overs..

The only difference being is the Wilder and AJ both fest on bums in title fights.. Fury is fighting a bum (as he has said himself) as a come back after being out of the ring for a couple of years..

He has also said he want 3 low level fights before he is ready for a big fight again...

Don't be surprised if this guys get rolled out for a title defense for Wilder or AJ. His name is now in the mix and if he lasts a few rounds against Fury he will get some cred and will be comes a Molina getting title shot after title shot.

 

That argument holes no weight whatsoever when you have the supposed lineal champion make zero defences of the alphabet titles he won when he become the lineal champion and doesn't fight anyone for over 2 years.

Just exactly when is the cut off point when a lineal champion is no longer the champion?

As there doesn't seem to be one I'll still call Mayweather lineal champion at WW in this imaginery boxing world where fighters are champion forever no matter if they actually fight.

Actually just to clarify wiki has Pacquiao as the last lineal champion before he retired. As he returned and lost to Horn that means Horn is the lineal WW champion?

Or as Floyd came back v McGregor he was still lineal champ and if McGregor won he would of been the lineal champion?

 

Imagine if Fury loses on an injury, not unimaginable as his body hasn't had to face the rigours of the sport for many years. Sefer Seferi 39 year old CW journeyman nobody; Lineal HW champion of the world.

 

I heard Dave TV knocked back this fight.

 

Where do you put The Ring title in here? (Fury was stripped in Feb.)

Unless the winner retires straight afterwards, the Lineal championship is still going to rise to the top. Of Joshua/Wilder had fought in the meantime the winner could lay claim I guess, but they've avoided the fight so Fury may as well keep this title. The whole Fury situation re the Lineal is a big anomaly but at least it is resolving itself hopefully with Fury's comeback.

Assuming Charr beats Oquendo makes sense for Fury to try to fight Charr for his belt on a third fight if that's an option.

 

The lineal heavyweight championship always sorts itself out in the end. The winner of Joshua v Wilder will eventually fight Fury & everyone will live happily ever after.

Where do I put The Ring title? In the garbage bin. The ding-a-lings at The Ring lost all credibility many years ago.

They took a principled stance once upon a time but then they didn't back the guys who they recognised as champions with any meaningful recognition (like putting them on the cover if they won a big fight).

Why should other people take The Ring champions seriously if the magazine itself wouldn't?

Certain fighters who didn't deserve recognition as champions were given it (particularly if they were chummy with the editor) and others who did deserve recognition weren't.

Some examples - Kostya Tszyu unified at 140 & who did they put on the cover? Mike Tyson.

Vic Darchinyan unified at 115 & they didn't recognise him at all.

If that's the best they can do, forget it.

 

I'm afraid you're all complete idiots. Sorry to be the one to have to break that to you. Safety in numbers does not apply here and your "opinions" make no sense and come across more as propaganda than anything else.

The lineal title has been around my entire life and I've never heard any idiot question it until recently. The man who beat the man means something in boxing and it always will. Fury is the man who beat the man to become HW champ. AJ is the man who beat nobody at all to win an unprecedented number of paper titles. Even Wilder is a more Legit world champ at this point than AJ. Accept it.

If Seferi beats Fury, who do you think the first person that calls him up will be? It'll be Fat Poof Hearn trying to get Whyte in the ring with him. If the lineal means nothing, why would Hearn care? Why would he want his guys to beat the man who beat the man? If you don't believe Hearn would be sucking off Serferi to get him in with Whyte you truly DKSAB.

Fighters coming back after a layoff who go after a big opponent rarely do well. Tyson is doing the right thing here. Serferi has proven to be durable with a winning record, but won't have any of the tools to trouble him.

Fat Poof Hearn is moaning about Fury's opponents and lying to you idiots that he would have had a problem with it. Stop being sheep and use the kind of thinking you would have before Eddie stole your heart and left you a dribbling sycophant. He is the same bellend that put on Khan-Lo Greco as a headline event with a crap undercard. Listen to his interviews where he defends putting in Khan with such a terribly low-level, undersized opponent that nobody had ever heard of. Now apply 50% of that thinking to Fury and stop trying to devalue legitimate and long-standing boxing concepts just to try and denigrate him.

Again, you're letting Sky propaganda take over your senses. Bellew is a blown up LHW who has been hurt, dropped and stopped multiple times at that weight. He never fought anybody at CW and has only had 2 fights at HW against a badly broken and clearly shot Haye. As crazy as it sounds, Seferi is a more genuine HW, seems more durable and so has a much better chance of being able to protect himself.

 

Could explain why it took them forever to confirm it was on BT. Seems like they defiently shopped it around.

 

Who is the lineal champion at 147?

Also on what universe do retired boxers have claim to be the lineal champion?

Clearly the same one where Lennox Lewis is still the champion

 

There are as much weight to claim it is for the "lineal" belt as there is for it to be for nothing at all.

Biggest reason against it is that Fury retired, which normally forfeits the "lineal" status. The TBRB (who follow the lineal) stripped him of it after that.
Then he got suspended for ped use, lied about his status multiple times, only the BBBoC timed his suspension in a way he didn't lose his claim entirely, not even reversing the fight for which he tested positive which is very low imo. He got stripped of his GBP championship and every belt he had.

Reason to say he still is the champion, is if you still believe in "the man that beat the man, that beat the man", but that line has been broken so many times that it's impossible to defend.
BUT... After retirering, Fury "unretired" shortly after, although he wasn't cleared to fight. If you believe Holmes took the lineal title from Ali, and there hasn't been a #1 vs #2 fight since, so you can technically still call him lineal that way.

It's all up for debate. In my opinion Holmes, although I think he's one of the best and most underrated HW's in history, Never became lineal. A new lineage started when Tyson beat Tucker for the undisputed championship in '87. #1 vs #2 for all the belts.

What does the "lineal" championship mean today. Jack sh_t! And Jack just drew with the "lineal" pimp and then left town.

 

No it isn't. It's elementary.

Holmes effectively became lineal champ when he beat Ken Norton (#1 v #2 after Ali retired). He subsequently removed any doubts about his "lineage" when he beat Ali (who came out of retirement to face him).

Tyson became lineal champ when he beat Spinks. Tucker was never regarded as "#2" by anyone.

 

Ali wasn't even the champion at that time Holmes fought Norton, but he regained the championship over Neon Leon a couple of months AFTER that fight took place. So how on earth could Holmes become lineal at the time?

That's the question. At the time Ring (long before Oscar got his hands on it) had Spinks as their champion, but the linealship was disputed (as it often has been). And however you want to bend it, Tyson and Tucker were the only beltholders and #1 and #2 at the time. Even when Tyson beat Tucker for all the belts, Tony remained at the #2 spot, and only lost it after some undisputed cruiserweight champion moved up and started to make waves.
Basically Holmes and Spinks having ever been lineal is disputed, but that's what lineal is nowadays. Yes... but... if... because... maybe... unless... and... realistically... A total mess, just like every other boxing championship.

 

Fury has certainly done his best to bring the lineal title into disrepute

As said the line has been broken many times but it does manage to sort itself out. At this point in time it's very difficult to say what will happen.

If Fury's comeback is legit then I'm sure he will still be considered lineal.