Is Fury's reputation forever tarnished?

If Wallin is Euro level, why did Whyte and Joshua duck him? It also means at least 2/3 of Joshua's record is trash as Wallin schooled Breazeale. And he's beat a top 4 cruiser in unified champ Gassiev.

If Chisora is Euro level, that's the peak of Vitali and Haye's records. Also gave Usyk a tougher fight than Joshua.

No.1 ranked cruiser Cunningham would have easily been Haye's best cruiser win and possibly his best HW win. But he ducked!

Whyte went 50-50 with Franklin post-Fury, who gave Joshua a decent 12 rounder and was an acceptable Joshua opponent 16 months after getting schooled and sparked by Fury.

Joshua will duck cash cow Ngannou to fight Charr/Kabayel/Yoka.

 

The era stinks and beating British Level Joshua 4 times is no better than beating Chisora 3 times.

Remember David Haye pulled out of a fight with Fury 7 days before due to a 'cut'. Joshua clearly ducked Fury and Wilder twice due to money. The Joshua fight adds nothing to his CV.

Who else could he have fought and lost to?

Usyk is the only fight he needs to win for legacy and retire undefeated as a legend.

 

F-ck me that you include Ngannou shows how much this is a pathetic list best of his era my arse

 

Will Hearn/AJ duck Ngannou and fight Charr/Kabayel/Yoka instead?

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...nou-in-december-january.712179/#post-22587053

 

"The era stinks"

This is a myth that's been around for 100+ years. With few exceptions, every era is allegedly worse than the last and every era is weak. The reality is close to the opposite. Hence Fury is criticised for beating Ngannou while Joe Louis is praised for beating a 5'8 obese untrained Galento.

Uncontroversial losses of Lewis opponents vs Klitschko era gatekeepers/contenders

Rahman lost to Ruiz and Maskaev x2

McCall lost to Williamson and Gomez x2

Golota lost to Brewster and Austin

Grant lost to McCline, Guinn and Adamek

Briggs lost to Fields, McCline and Ibragimov

Tua lost to Byrd and went 0-1-1 with Barrett

Tyson lost to Williams

Holyfield went 1-1-1 with Ruiz and lost to Byrd

Lesser names like Billups and Jackson lost to several and Wlad did better than Lewis against three of their four mutual opponents (Jackson, Mercer, Rahman).

 

We have 4 World Heavyweight Title Belts, 2 World Heavyweight Champions and we have had only ONE World Heavyweight Title Fight defending belts this calendar year.

Never known it to be so bad in any era.

 

During every HW era, the talk is always that this is the worst ever. The same thing was said about Mike Tyson era, Lennox Lewis era and Klitschko era.

Then once the era is over, then it gets rated higher and higher and higher.

Until an era and its boxers reach the peak of possible ratings with fans and historians, before inevtiably being written off and forgotten about as "too old"

 

"ONE World Heavyweight Title Fight defending belts this calendar year."

That's Usyk-Dubois, a relative nothing fight in historical terms. Whereas Fury-Ngannou (a lineal bout regardless of the WBC not being on the line: had Fury lost, the undisputed fight would have been a farce) will be talked about for years to come. We've never seen anything like it.

An era is defined by its biggest fights. This era is incomplete (Wilder-Ortiz 1 and Joshua-Ruiz 2 are next on the chopping block) but I'll compare to the previous era:

Current 10 most significant fights of the post-Klitschko era

Joshua-Wlad

Wilder-Ortiz 1

Fury-Wilder 1

Ruiz-Joshua 1

Joshua-Ruiz 2

Fury-Wilder 2

Usyk-Joshua 1

Fury-Wilder 3

Usyk-Joshua 2

Fury-Ngannou


10 most significant fights of the Klitschko era

Vitali-Sanders

Wlad-Peter 1

Vitali-Peter

Haye-Valuev

Wlad-Haye

Vitali-Chisora

Wlad-Povetkin

Wlad-Pulev

Wilder-Stiverne 1

Fury-Wlad

 

Fury vs Ngannou is only going to be talked about because it utterly humiliated the sport. It was hardly a good thing.

 

Be talked about cause it's another robbery decision.

 

How on earth can you put a freak show fight ahead of AJ vs Parker which was a unification?

Done huge PPV numbers and sold out a stadium

That's some narrative you have

 

Maybe it was significant because Fury got knocked down by a 0-fight novice MMA dude.

My memory may be blurry as I had only just turned 14 at the time, but I remember a lot of people saying that Parker would outbox Joshua and cause him problems due to his granite chin. I think it’s one of Joshua’s best performances. Without the referee letting them fight on the inside I think Joshua may have forced the stoppage late.

 

Joshua gets no credit for the Parker fight. Parker just isn't that good, and they had one of the worst refs I've ever seen who literally took away Parkers path to victory. He even let AJ call his own timeouts ffs.

 

How come people raved about Joyce beating a worse version of Parker then?

 

It can never be as significant as a unification match

AJ boxed fine but that ref was terrible
It was also imo the real beginning of AJ moving away from using his aggressive style and unfortunately it's never really returned