You misunderstood my point. The Hamed comparation is not based on the HOF status of The Prince but on the same aggressive, cocky style, arrogance inside the ring, willing to get hit just to do more damage, getting up from the canvas to score a knockout, dividing the audience, giving exciting fights etc. etc... no one since Hamed brought the same pack of talent, excitement and flaws into the ring... :rasta
was over-hyped too much when amsterdam was still posting here (will beat pac at the end of the year and will beat jmm early next year). his hype now is just about right. we all know that he is great offensively but have serious questions in his defense, chin and stamina. will he improve on these departments? let us wait and see.
No, the problem is not that Gamboa is lauded as the most exciting prospect in boxing for a while. He is! I cannot wait to see his fights because I know I will see great action, great skills, almost certainly a KO, and that there's a small chance it's going to be Gamboa who gets KOed! Gamboa is great for boxing! Absolutely a godsent! But I felt almost as excited watchin Khan, after the Limond fight, before he levelled off and stagnated. And I wasn't excited because I thought Khan would one day be one of the best, etc., but because it was an all out action fight and because Khan himself could be dropped or even stopped any minute! Khan was great for boxing too; it brought many fans to "the sport". But he was overhyped! The problem is that Gamboa is seriously hyped as the best prospect in boxing for a while! This is ridiculous! Many prospects and fighters could be almost as exciting as Gamboa if they took he risks he takes and if they fought the way he does, but that wouldn't make them the best. You're right we cannot ignore Gamboa and we certainly shouldn't. But one thing is to look forward to his fights like nothing else and another to say he is by far the best and p4p No 1 potential, on the basis of his performances so far. Take Haye, for example; he is much more proven than Gamboa, obviously, very exciting, and he takes risks too! You know you're very likely to see a KO in his fights, and that he might get KOed himself, so Haye fights are always very exciting. But Haye fans are realistic about how good he is, you don't hear them going on about how he will be p4p No 1. They would be happy if he wins a belt at HW and proves to be one of the best. They don't hype him at all. They're just looking forward to his fights. With Gamboa though, things are very different. Just look at what PowerPuncher wrote a couple of minutes ago!
That is not right. Not any old prospect could be as exciting as Gamboa just by being reckless or something. His speed, movement, power, ability to hit from any angle off front or back foot and overall physical talent is something special. Of course his low hands and air of vulnerability help, but the talent = excitement.
Talent is justifed, hype is not. Sure he's good and fun to watch. But too reckless which may get him down the road. A good prospect, nothing more, nothing less.
I didn't say any old prospect could be as exciting as Gamboa just by being reckless. I said many prospects (the good ones, obviously) AND fighters (contenders, champions, etc.) could be ALMOST as exciting (not as exciting because many have a (much) better chin, defence and footwork, so it's not quite as likely that they themselves would get KOed, but, granted, also because not many would be as exciting coming forward and throwing combos even if they were reckless, because Gamboa has truly special skills.
But that's EXACTLY the point with Gamboa. He's willing to take the risks others don't just for create a show. If not the best talent overall b/c of his defensive issues, he's still the most exciting talent today and you're spot on why... Remember... Amir Khan came from the Olympics and together with Warren he had a tremendous media hype. Khan was already very populer. But Breidis Prescott is not even on the level of Jimenez, he's a puncher like De Jesus and his first big win was Khan... Yuri fought De Jesus on his 6th fight. In Gamboa's case the hype is coming from the inside, from the promoters, trainers, experts, hardcore fans, and because this unknown fighter for the larger public ate every kind of competition he was given before his 10th fight. He doesn't need hype, he creates hype with his hands and not flawless performances... the difference between the Berto type of talent and him is exactly what you wrote...
Well there you go. I can't think of any that would be as exciting, because he is unique at the moment.
Bute is unique Gamboa is a chump who couldnt carry the jock strap of Bute:good So how is the life in the igloo TFFP?
First things first. Gamboa has never been in with a puncher, nevermind a world class fighter who can punch, or even worse, a world class fighter who is also a world class puncher. For all we know, Prescott could be a massive puncher. We just don't know yet. Secondly, I have no problem with Gamboa being called the most exciting prospect (i.e. he is a prospect and his fights are very exciting, mostly because he brings a lot of exciting skills and a very exciting style). But saying he is the best prospect out there by far, the best prospect for years (overall quality wise), I think is to overhype him quite a lot! And many people here, who should know better, don't just do the former, but the latter too, and to be frank with you, because we're ESB buddies, I think you do too!:good
Haye and Khan don't have the talent or near the range of skills that Gamboa has though. Haye fans expect him to become HW Champ, which is P4P expectation despite his weaknesses on the inside, lack of head movement, low guard. I think Haye could become HW champ too, if he beats Wlad he will be P4P You say its ridicolous that Gamboa is the best prospect but who are you telling me is better? And who else has the combination of speed and power. Which other prospect is as good a combo thrower? Which other prospect has as impressive footwork
Bute fights can be rather dull at times, because he is so risk averse and because he doesn't finish them off when he has them hurt, prolonging their agony instead, but he's no Ottke or Inkin either. Gamboa is obviously much more exciting, his offensive skills much better and his fights, much more entertaining. Bute isn't that unique at all, but he is a proven world class fighter. If he beats Andrade, I'd say he was as good as B+ already. Yeah, we talk a lot about Bute here because he has some hard-core fans, but Bute isn't overrated as a future p4p star or anything. Nor should he be! I, personally, would be very happy if it turned out Gamboa becomes a p4p star, because he takes so many risks to give us what we really want - exciting fights. Bute doesn't take those risks; he is happy just making sure he win and gives a good performance. Gamboa deserves our support more than Bute, as a result. BUT, I just wish we allowed Gamboa to prove himself as a world class fighter before we proclaimed him as a p4p star in the making, on top of "the most exciting fighter out there".
Gamboa has better speed and throws nicer combos than anyone out there bar none. But that's not everything you need to make it, is it? To become a B+ level or better, that is certainly not enough, because when you come in against a B level tough, iron chinned fighter who can punch, you Lacy him for 10 rounds and then in the 11th, he catches you and you are out for the count. Quite a few prospects out there might not have his offensive skills, but they have an overall better mix, which means they'll never be half as exciting, but they'll end up beating better quality opposition.