Is Gene Tunney underrated on P4P and LHW lists?

P4P

1 Greb
2 Langford
3 Robinson
4 Armstrong
5 Charles
6 Moore
7 Benny Leonard
8 Willie Pep
9 Sugar Ray Leonard
10 Gene Tunney ?

I always had Tunney in my all time top 20, but recently I started to treat him like borderline top 10 fighter. Does anyone else rank him so high? Please add arguments even if you disagree.

 

Tunney was always highly rated, right though to the late 80s, he was considered by many as a top 10 Heavyweight and a Great Light Heavyweight.

But since the 90s his ratings have slip, he no longer flavour of the month and has gone from probably slightly overrated to underrated by most IMO.

 

Hasson is lying of course, as he wasn't alive yet at that time to know what people "understood".

Here's what people who actually SAW the fights said:

"Renault sent Godfrey to the canvas with two vicious rights and a left to the jaw after two minutes and five seconds in the eleventh round. In the early stages of the fight Renault did not seem to take the fight seriously, and Godfrey outpointed the Canadian boxer in the sixth, seventh and eighth rounds. But Renault, in the ninth, tenth and eleventh rounds, battered the negro severely with rights and lefts to the body. At the end of the fight Godfrey's nose was bleeding profusely and his left eye was completely closed."
-The NY Times.

So were Godfrey's closed eyes and bloody nose "ordered" too?

 

Why not?

So you asked them to fabricate a result that isn't corroborated by either source? That's even worse.

 

Then why did Boxrec have it listed as a newpaper draw for quite some time? If two papers reports are conflicting one anothers, then a draw seems like a nice compromise.

 

drunk and skipping to the end (apologies). yes. i love tunney and his wins over greb were amazing but past grebs prime. he beat loughran, gibbons and the (VERY overrated) carpentier. i don't know how much of a P4P resume that makes. at LHW he's top 10 but BOTTOM top 10

 

and jaffay til the day i die, i will NEVER understand how langford can be placed above SRR. i'm canadian and he's our best ever fighter and still...no

 

I'm a huge Langford fan and I have to agree with you.

As far as the whole debate on Tunney being underrated, I think he most definitely is but more importantly the thing most people talk about is his slick skills and defence but rarely does anyone metion his KO %.

 

Because all their no-decisions have been automatically listed as draws or no-contests until they get updated.

 

You mean aside from Carpentier.

 

Langford fought:

Gans
Walcott
Flynn
Jeannette
Young Peter Jackson
Dixie Kid
Mike Schreck
Ketchel
Blackburn
Jeff Clark
McVey
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Dan Flynn
Gunboat Smith
Harry Wills
Bill Tate
George Godfrey

that's what i call pound for pound

 

While I agree Tunney had a better chin than Loughran,your first statement is not certain.
Loughran met many more punchers than Tunney ,including,
Hamas x 4
Renault
Griffiths
Delaney x2
Stribling x3
Lomski
Carpentier.
I do not suggest that these were on a par for power with the Mauler, but another Loughran victim probably was.Max Baer.

 

Tunney is very under rated. I think he is something like 10-1 vs. hall of fame fighters with the one official loss coming to Greb.

Even Ali, who was looking to rip fighters before himself liked Tunney.