Is George Foreman a pure arm puncher?

Yes. But he used it well.

If he didn't know how to use it we wouldn't have seen a destruction of Frazier and Norton.

 

Yeah. I believe I do.

So what I'm saying is that Foreman would sometimes start the motion at the hips, but not put as much force into the hip motion as he should have. The shoulders were contributing disproportionately to the blow because he wasn't engaging his lower body *enough*.

This is an error, but may not be the precise error that you categorize under your definition of arm punching.

 

So where did you get your definition of arm punching?

 

I'll also point out that I've noticed boxing doesn't always have a 100% uniform technical vocabulary from person to person. Just as not every coach teaches the same punches identically. The closest to an authoritative source are probably the USA Boxing manuals, but even there, somebody else can pull out Joe Frazier's book, or Patterson's, etc. Better to describe what someone is doing where possible -- at least that way we can speak directly to what the other guy is saying.

 

It often does mean that you're not getting the kind of force on your punches that you could be, though, because you're under-using some of the muscles (hips, core, legs) that could be contributing more to the punch.

If you don't call that arm punching, that's fine. I'm just saying that it's often considered an error to do whatever it is I just described.

 

I'm certainly not accusing you of being obnoxious; nor am I trying to be.

 

Correct. Rarely in boxing is there a rigid definition for a term that every expert in the field agrees on.

Mr. Bell, who trains his son Albert Bell (ranked # 8 at super feather), said it's better to throw a hook with the palm facing the ground.

Greg wright, my old coach and former light heavy NABF champ, says it's better to throw it with the palm facing you.

I actually tweeted Foreman himself and he responded that for power punchers it doesn't matter which way you throw it.

So three experts at the world level don't even agree.

 

Ok. That's fine.

In that case, by your terminology, I consider Foreman bad at committing to his punches consistently.

By Glass's terminology, which apparently mirrors mine according to his post in this thread, Foreman tended to arm punch.

That's how I would describe the same error I see in Foreman according to each of your ways of dividing up boxing terms.

 

I bet they can answer questions without derailing a thread for numerous pages because they're not attention seekers.

Still waiting for you to tell me when I said Foreman never used his hips.

Still waiting for you to tell me where you got your definition of arm punching. Name a person or book.

You can also try to find a quote from me when I said he didn't push off the ground for power shots.