Is GGG An Alltime Great?

No he wasn't landing enough significant punches to win. Canelo's defense was too good, most of GGG's punches were either slipped or were not powerful. This negated GGG's offense because he couldn't land with power on Canelo because of the defense and movement involved. GGG's best round in my estimation, a round in which he really had Canelo doing a lot of moving was Round 7. Outside of that round and some others, GGG was not doing enough to win rounds clearly. In the majority of the rounds Canelo landed the better more impressive punches. Canelo was outworked by GGG, particularly in the middle rounds but outside of a handful of rounds Canelo was doing very well and there were many very hard to score rounds. To deny this you are not being honest.

He was also about 10% more accurate with his power shots. Not only did Canelo land more, and was more accurate with them, but they were more impressive and more damaging. In that 1st fight, GGG's punches were not eye catching compared to Canelo's. Canelo was frustrating him with the movement, the ropes work, and GGG couldn't match Canelo power for power.

 

Explain to me how feather fisted Ward KO’s GGG. I want to hear this garbage take.

 

Nobody is forgetting the Canelo fights. I'm not going to pretend that he won any of those, but he was a worthy dance partner.

 

HOF don't know about a true atg

 

Credit to Canelo for taking those jabs. I'm supprised his head didn't fly off his shoulders with the force and frequency he was getting hit. Some were like flush right hands. Canelo looked like a bobble head doll for most the fight.

 

He still won, then was robbed. The story of the fight don't win the fight.

 

We all will likely be gone. Nothing will change, Golovkin will always be viewed as one the best and a middleweight monster. You can't erase history.

 

Yeah but we're talking ATG here to be included in the pantheon that sort of stuff really matters. ATG's have special and legendary moments like that and Golovkin has nothing like that anywhere in his career.

 

I'm telling you there are a bunch of forgotten guys throughout history nobody knows or talks about anymore who could have beat all the guys Golovkin beat. Nobody ever talks about somebody like Freddie Steele look he would have crushed all those guys Golovkin beat and so could probably some of the other top contenders in those days. But nobody remembers those guys and the same thing will happen to Golovkin some day. If he had went to war with Canelo in the rematch instead of choosing to put on a timid jab exhibition things could have been different but thats his fault for not daring to be great in the special moment that was given to him and I'm not going to kiss his ass for it and sit him next to all the legends and warriors that did.

 

You can't change history, the fights and available online. The highlights and fights speak for themselves. The statistics are there. 20 consecutive middleweight title defenses (18) by KO. Two controversial legendary fights with another legend Canelo! Its not like people can look at GGG blasting out contenders on video and say to themselves, this guy sucks, its plain to see how good he is. Nobody really see's Freddy Steel videos

 

I just checked boxrec... GGG only held an IBO belt and a WBC Interim belt... 20 title defenses!?!? He eventually got the IBF belt but he only defended that belt 3 times. He then somehow got the WBC belt from... Kell Brook...Wtf... but he only defended it 1 time... 20 title defenses!?!? You're playing him up like he's Carlos Monzon!

 

You haven't been a fan very long have you? Box rec removed all references to the WBA do to a conflict with the WBA trying to make a similar type of web site to boxrec. GGG first won the WBA interim title vs Milton Nunez, the regular champ was Felix Sturm. Then the WBA created a different belt for Sturm so he wouldn't have to fight GGG, to keep Sturms promoter happy. Sturm got promoted to the brand new Super champion, and Golovkin was promoted to WBA regular champ. All this happend before GGG'S first title defense.From that point Golovkin Ko'd 5 in a row, Proksa being the 5th. During that time frame Sturm fought a unification bout with Daniel Geale the IBF champ. Sturm lost, Geale became WBA super champ and IBF champ. Geale then realised that he now will have to defend his WBA super belt against Golovkin, he then vacated the WBA (super ) middleweight title, making Golovkin the WBA super champ. Geale hung on to his IBF belt.
Then Golovkin continued his rampage through the middle weight ranks destroying Rosado,Ishida,Macklin,Stevens, Osumanu, and Geale. Then Golovkin fought WBC int champ Rubio and stopped him in 2 rounds. Golovkin was now mandatory to fight for Cotto's WBC and Ring mag title, Cotto wasn't interested. Later Cotto lost to Canelo, and GGG was his mandatory.Golovkin wasnt taking step aside money, so Canelo was going to have to defend against GGG. Canelo vacated his WBC middleweight title and announced through promoter Golden Boy, that Canelo would be ready to fight GGG in 16 months. He needed time to grow into the middleweight division. The belt was awarded to GGG.
Golovkin would continue his rampage through the middleweight division knocking out Murray, Monroe jr, IBF champ David Lemieux, Wade, then Kell Brook, who stepped in when Eubank Jr lost his pen, all title defenses. Then GGG defeated WBA regular champ Jacobs by unanimous decision, ( the first guy to ever take GGG 12 rounds). At this point GGG had 18 defenses, (17) by KO. Then GGG defends vs Canelo by a draw result, that should have been a win that would have made him Ring mag Champ as well as unified Champ, bringing it to 19 defenses (17) by KO.Then GGG defended vs Martirosyan by KO 2 for his 20th title defense. His 21st would have been vs Canelo in the 2nd fight, but he got robbed again. So it stopped at 20 defenses (18) by KO. IF GGG got his deserved win in the Canelo rematch, then defended vs Derevyanchenko W-12, then Szeremeta ko -7, and beat WBA regular champ Murata, he would have 24 consecutive defenses with 20 by KO. Golovkin is 12-2-1 (10) vs Ring mag top 10 contenders. Put him where you want in middleweight history. He is very note worthy, and head to head would do just fine against other stand out champs in middleweight history.

 

First of all I'm definitely not counting interim belts as credible title defenses and it sounds like Golovkin was simply gifted the belt without fighting anyone making him a paper champion. Which he defended against 5 nobodies and then Proksa, who is also a nobody? Did I read that right? Can you say....... PADDED RECORD?

What I'm getting from this is Golovkin was a paper champ with a heavily heavily padded record. You just convinced me now more than ever that he was not an all time great.

 

to be fair freddie steele was really ****ing good. I wish we had more footage of him.

 

great post