Is GGG ducking the rematch?!! Oscar said they waiting on GGG to sign.. Smh

It depends on what they agree. Pacquiao wanted Cotto at 145 despite the limit being 147, yet had no problems fighting Clottey at 147. GGG wanted the fight at Ward at 164 b ut the limit is 168. Canelo wanted GGG at 155. Not sure what the problem is...

 

Canelo-GGG would have been for the Undisputed Middleweight Championship
That had tobe @160

 

Sanchez never said the cw at 164 would have to be a title shot. Feel free to search to your heart's content. You won't find him saying it has to be a title shot.

Guess what ASSOL, people didn't like Pac's 145 fight and chastised it quite a bit.

Save your deflecting 'whataboutism' for your idiot friends who buy it...

 

You're so dull and boring Lance. Discussing anything with you is like talking to a 14 year old. I know because I have a 14 year old. You project, you PMS, you make **** up, and when you feel threatened you lash out.

Lance, you barely even watch boxing, not even sure what your point is here, all you ever try to do is tell people how much smarter you are, but in reality you contribute very little to NOTHING on this board. You rarely ever discuss fights because you don't watch fights. What you do is ***** an cry about other posters, you stalk them, and argue about pointless meaningless things. You're likely on more people's ignore list than any other long term member for those very reasons.

As for my Liam Smith comment, I know at the time I made that comment it was not very popular, but you can arguably make a case for it. When Canelo fought Liam Smith, smith was more accomplished than any fighter Golovkin had fought. DL was the only world champion GGG had fought and had zero defenses, Liam Smith had 3 successful world title fights prior to facing Canelo. Liam Smith also put up a better fight against Canelo than DL did against BJS and GGG. Smith > Lemeiux.

 

It's obvious it would be for the titles moron, it's within the SMW limit, unless he specified that it would not be for the titles which he didnt. Can you find me a quote where they said it would NOT be for the titles like Canelo had suggested for 155? I doubt it.

 

OK, now you aear going to tell me what I watch and don't watch. LIke I wasn't watching Spence fight this weekend. Weird...could swear I was on the couch with my wife.

Are you just going to repeat some of the insults I said to you Isal? Because that's just lame and boring.

So, did you find an answer to if Canelo's 155 pound fights were sanctioned? Or were they...unsanctioned? LOL

 

No, it's not obvious see you next thursday ( )

Sanchez had had for a LONG while., unification was the goal. But a money fight at 168 would be possible, but as a ONE SHOT. Go and search up for yourself. So, NO, seeing as they had goals to still accomplish, it's NOT OBVIOUS.

You are a freakin moron...Prove that they wouldn't be, when in the first place, title were never mentioned? Good grief...you went full on R Simple jack...

 

ALL fights need to be sanctioned you big dummy, only in specific cases outside of the norm are they not sanctioned.

 

Okay moron, this is the last time I'll explain.

Ward wanted the fight at 168, GGG wanted it at 164, both weights within the SMW limit, there is NO reason why it would not be a title fight had Ward agreed to the CW. There was no mention that the titles did not or would not be on the line. Very different to what Canelo said about 155, he said he wanted the fight with NONE of GGGs titles on the line. Are you able to compute and comprehend the difference?

 

then WTF were you asking if they were sanctioned for MW for? canelo fought in sanctioned fights within the MW limit. Guess what that means.....

 

i'm not even commenting on 3G and canleo at 155 moron.... nice try deflecting as usual. Look simple jack, they never got anywhere in those negotiations. What we DO KNOW is, Sanchez never once insisted on a title fight. So you can repeat your womanly hysterics all you want. But that won't make true what you are claiming.

 

You tell me what it means? Was he being ranked at MW for those fights?

 

Isal--

Ok--back to the CW issue and your comment above. As a GGG fan i will go out on a limb and state as a matter of fact IF GGG had fought and beat Ward at 164 for Ward's titles I would have heavily critized GGG. I do not support CW fights for titles. Not for Mayweather, Pac, Canelo, or GGG.

The use of a CW as a negotitating tool is different. Caneloe has used it to success and GGG tried it. To be fair, I dont believe the GGG/Ward fight was ever going to happen anyway but that's just my 2 cents. But I am consistant in my stance on this. I do not support CW fights for titles.

Now--lets look at Canelo and GGG both fighting WWs. First, I dont give either fighter too much credit for those fights as the outcomes were as they should be. The bigger, stronger fighter stopped the smaller fighter.

There is a difference though. GGG was in talks with CEJ. This is well documented. When the fight fell through Brooks stepped up to offer a big fight in the same big market.


For Canelo, he was given one voluntary defense of he newly won MW title. He could have picked any MW to test the waters at 160. But instead he took the china chinned WW Khan. I am not aware of any Canelo/GB talks with any other MW fighters before the Khan fight was announced.

TZo me thats the difference. GGG took his WW fight as a replacement. Canelo took his by choice. But both should get very little creidt for the wins as they were the expected outcomes.

 

Another difference is that Canelo won his newly won MW title at a 155 catchweight. (which wasn't his demand, it was Cotto's demand as both were essentially Jr Middleweights) It's one thing to drain a full blown Middleweight to a catchweight to gain an advantage like Cotto did vs Geale, it's another to use a catchweight (title fight or not) to make it easier and more fair for your smaller opponent to come up in weight.

That's not to say that I like title fights at catchweights, I don't. But I didn't really have a problem with Canelo fighting Khan at 155 for the MW Title. I'd rather they fought for a title at 154, but remember Canelo's 154-lb title was held hostage by Floyd for 2 years and the MW title was the only title fight possible at that point. (there were no vacant 154-lb titles for example)

Another thing to consider was that there were no big names at MW to fight and Khan was a bigger name than anyone else Canelo could have fought at MW. If I recall, Canelo was looking at fighting an actual Middleweight, possibly at 160 but Khan called up and wanted the fight but Khan demanded it be below the weight limit. He actually wanted the fight at 153 lbs which wasn't doable since it wasn't in the margin of Middleweight ( 154.1 - 160 ) and the lowest weight in the margin was 155. I also don't think testing the waters vs a big MW would have benefitted Canelo or his preparation for Triple G any more than fighitng Khan. Khan had more speed and quicker hands than anyone at Middleweight would have been.

By Canelo fighting the quick-handed and fast mover Khan, it trained him to maintain his own hand-speed which only benefitted him when he moved up to 160 and started to fight bigger and slower (but more heavy-handed) fighters. Also getting such a sensational knockout only helped to rise his stock and showcase his power punching ability. And just because Khan was a WW moving up and supposedly "china chinned" isn't to say that it was an easy fight for Canelo to take because it wasn't. For all his suspect punch resistance, Amir Khan is a very skilled boxer who presents challenges to whoever he fights. I think Golovkin would have a difficult time with Khan, of course it's possible maybe even probable that he knocks Khan out but it's not a forgone conclusion.

So while I agree with your hard-line stance on not liking or respecting title fights at Catchweights, you have to take into consideration the fact that Canelo won the title he defended at a catchweight vs Khan at the same catchweight vs Cotto.

It's not like he won the title at the limit, then started demanding catchweights at a lower weight to drain bigger fighters like Cotto did vs Geale, or even Martinez by 1 lb (159). Canelo won the title at a catchweight and defended it once at a catchweight vs a welterweight (which benefitted the welterweight moving up). Despite my dislike for defending titles at catchweights, I didn't have any real problem with what Canelo did there given the circumstances involved because he didn't do it to gain an unfair advantage over an opponent. He was essentially still a Jr Middleweight holding the MW strap that he won at 155, and defended it at 155 vs a smaller guy to benefit the smaller guy coming up. When comparing who should get more credit for defeating a Welterweight, Canelo or Golovkin, I think Canelo should get more credit because he basically met Khan halfway while Golovkin made Brook go up two full weight classes, putting Brook at a much bigger disadvantage than Khan was vs Canelo. As opposed as you are to catchweight title fights, if there is a time where it's more justified it's when you are taking on a smaller fighter. Also I think despite Khan being known as chinny, Khan is a much more difficult fight stylistically than Brook and part of the reason why many favor Khan vs Brook.

 

Wow shadow. All that in defense of a BS CW fight.

I am well aware that Canelo won the title at a CW. He was given a voluntary defense before his mandatory kicked in. He chose a WW. He could have picked any other MW but instead he picked a MW. Sorry man. You can defend it and think it was ok, but I feel differently. I think it was a punk move. Due to his last fight against Cotto he would have been given a pass if he'd have fought a lesser known MW. Maybe a B level type guy. But instead he chose a WW. And not even a WW considered in the top 5.

And we know the rest. He then took a lightly regarded 154 Smith, then a guy who hasn't done anything of note in years. But you'll defend those as well.