Well you certainly vented your spleen on that subject buddy, a tad on the rambling side at times , but we get your gest , as to the GOAT and the top 5 or 10 or what ever, allow me to try and throw some light and perspective on the reasoning and thought process that precedes this outcome. You say there is " some sort of crazy " way of grading / ranking the fighters that are often included in such list's, and you say they should not be taken seriously ! Well I cannot vouch for the other posters, but I have a sort of system where by I evaluate a said fighter, his fight record, his opponents, length of his reign, etc, then I look at, or maybe think about all the other fighters in that division over the decades, and then try to imagine a fight between the two, and hopefully there is an outcome, then repeat with other fighters in that weight class, and I usually ( not always ) arrive at a winner. Let me give you an example, then maybe you can pick a quiet time at home and try this system yourself ? So for my test case I am going to use a MW named Sugar Ray Robinson, or more user friendly SRR, and I have pitted him against Vito Antourfermo, not sure about you ? but I would pick SRR to win , then I would pit him against another MW from maybe another era, say Babe Risko, and again I give some thought on who would win ( in this case, strangely enough its SRR again ) so can you see a pattern forming ? you don't have to use only MW you could for example use WWs,, and pick a fighter like Henry Armstrong and put him up against say, Billy Backus, now I would have Armstrong winning that encounter, and I would then repeat with another WW , and so on. Also you can chose any weight you desire, and any fighters you want, it really is a interesting and topical exercise , which I am sure many other posters employ when rating fighters Tutorial over for today, and I hope my input has made the topic of ranking and rating fighters less opaque. Keep well.