Is GGG is an all-time top 5 middleweight?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mark ant, Dec 2, 2021.

  1. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well you certainly vented your spleen on that subject buddy, a tad on the rambling side at times , but we get your gest , as to the GOAT and the top 5 or 10 or what ever, allow me to try and throw some light and perspective on the reasoning and thought process that precedes this outcome.
    You say there is " some sort of crazy " way of grading / ranking the fighters that are often included in such list's, and you say they should not be taken seriously !
    Well I cannot vouch for the other posters, but I have a sort of system where by I evaluate a said fighter, his fight record, his opponents, length of his reign, etc, then I look at, or maybe think about all the other fighters in that division over the decades, and then try to imagine a fight between the two, and hopefully there is an outcome, then repeat with other fighters in that weight class, and I usually ( not always ) arrive at a winner.
    Let me give you an example, then maybe you can pick a quiet time at home and try this system yourself ?
    So for my test case I am going to use a MW named Sugar Ray Robinson, or more user friendly SRR, and I have pitted him against Vito Antourfermo, not sure about you ? but I would pick SRR to win , then I would pit him against another MW from maybe another era, say Babe Risko, and again I give some thought on who would win ( in this case, strangely enough its SRR again ) so can you see a pattern forming ? you don't have to use only MW you could for example use WWs,, and pick a fighter like Henry Armstrong and put him up against say, Billy Backus, now I would have Armstrong winning that encounter, and I would then repeat with another WW , and so on.
    Also you can chose any weight you desire, and any fighters you want, it really is a interesting and topical exercise , which I am sure many other posters employ when rating fighters
    Tutorial over for today, and I hope my input has made the topic of ranking and rating fighters less opaque.
    Keep well.
     
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  2. thistle

    thistle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cheers MIKE and thank you, yes I get how it goes for some people and these Lists, it is usually however Achievement Based, where Champs are often pitted against Champs, but that is probably the worst sin, in that there have been some 'poor' champs, or 'lucky to be champs'... and then of course, as I said, better overall Era's, which has to be accounted for...

    and yeas you can do it for any weight or all weights, again I mentioned that and I know...

    my Query is Not against you or any other for that matter... it simply just confuses how these kind of List or statements get made so often, when so many factors and of course fighters get side lined, where an Amir Khan might make such lists and be thought of a genuine Historic Great, where as a great Fringe Contender like Vic Foley for example, who had a brilliantly successful career, fought everyone competing well, beating many, yet never see's the light of day, but a Khan or Hatton 'might' or will...

    anyway, you know what I mean, and as I say, there should be a sort of Template, like the breakdown I mentioned, or some sort of accurate all inclusive Historical measures applied to such lists, which is more complimentary to the Great History and Thousands of fighters to the sport.

    Blessings to all of you.
     
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  3. northpaw

    northpaw Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The short answer is no. The long answer is also........................... no.
     
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  4. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe Member Full Member

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    Simple answer is No
     
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  5. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He certainly has the skills to be.
    Rather people view his achievements worthy of top 5 is debatable.
     
  6. Malik Shabazz

    Malik Shabazz Member banned Full Member

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    I'm sure he would give anyone a "tough fight", but how could he be considered a top anything when his two best performances were a disputed win against Danny Jacob's and a disputed loss against Canelo?
    He never even faced charlo or Andrade.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Speaking of santa, in a new British TV ad santa turns up at some guys house, but instead of eating a mince pie he falls in love and he and the guy start smooching each other in a loving embrace.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Neither Charlo or Andrade would stand any chance v any of the top 5 middles of all-time, they are not elite fighters.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    La Motta was not a big puncher.
     
  10. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, but head to head he’s a fight for any of them.
    There just weren’t any elite fighters around at middleweight because could have fought.
     
  11. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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  12. Malik Shabazz

    Malik Shabazz Member banned Full Member

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    Yes, so GG has no excuse for ducking them.
    Even with the Canelo controversy he still could have cleaned put his division and laid claim to his greatness.
    But he chose not to.

    I wouldn't even rate GG above Keith Holmes or Willial Joppy at this point.
     
  13. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's why I said he has the chin to MATCH Lamotta
     
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  14. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No ,nor a top ten one.
     
  15. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So would Bennie Briscoe ,does he belong in the top ten?