Is Golovkin an All Time Great ?

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Is Golokin an ATG ?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Eastern Iron

    Eastern Iron New Member Full Member

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    His best wins are Canelo x2.
     
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  2. Quina74

    Quina74 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Shadow we've already established you do not know how to score rounds because you magnify the impact of Canelo's shots even when it's blatantly not a clean shot. And there was not disagreement from your side it was plain denial. Having to timestamp and you continually deny the quite easily observable was frustrating yet I suspect you somehow felt like you came out of that with a positive argument (hence my previous delusional claims). And again your appeal to the casual masses scorecards is just that.. Generally people have no clue what a scoring punch is so why are you appealing to the majority.

    And acting like I'm the spin merchant is just frankly ridiculous for the guy known to spin everything for Canelo.

    And no, Billy came to win, but you use the logic if he weren't beaten he could have been an ATG just because he is unbeaten which is just completely flawed... Especially considering Billy is a blown up middleweight who had looked utter European level in his last three fights ffs.. Yet you're making out as if this is an amazing win for him
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why is it that all 3 judges scored the Saunders match in favor of Canelo, but you had it the complete opposite? Can't say I'm shocked at that, I would expect as much from you. Professional judges seem to be magnifying the impact of Canelo's shots too, just like me huh. And it just so happens that this time, Compubox had Canelo landing more overall shots in rounds 1-4, so since you're so big on counting punches and not magnifying the impact of punches, Canelo still wins rounds 1-4 if we're counting punches because according to good ol reliable compubox he landed more punches. So what's your excuse now? You still gave rounds to Billy even in rounds in which he was outlanded.

    We can call each other delusional all we want, but it won't determine anything. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and find areas that we agree on, which is exceedingly hard to do with someone as thick headed as yourself. But I'm not gonna agree with you just to be friendly. When I see it different, I'm gonna call you out. I'm not gonna clown you either, and if you recall there were many punches where the frame rate and camera angles made it hard to be sure how good something landed. And there were a good amount of punches that we agreed were inconclusive. We did the best we could with what we had, but of course there was quite a gap between our viewpoints. But the difference is my viewpoint is far more consistent with the official judges, while your view is way out in left field somewhere. Now I'm not gonna act like the judges always score everything right, I disagree with the judges plenty, but I'm indeed a lot close to their baseline scoring than you are. So given that, the onus is on you to prove your case rather than me since I have the official judges on my side more often than not.

    I don't have to spin anything as it relates to Canelo. I accepted all of his results, on the contrary, you don't and continue to argue against the official verdicts. I don't have to prove that Canelo beat GGG. He beat GGG, that's a fact. You have to prove that GGG beat Canelo since it didn't happen in real life, and you struggled mightily to make your case. But I'm willing to hear you out, and do your SPIN doctoring when it comes to how GGG won a round like round 6 of the rematch when he clearly didn't. But you think he did. You were looking for rounds to give to GGG so he has enough rounds to win rather than just scoring it straight up.

    I'm glad you think that, and maybe this is a role reversal of sorts in that, while I believe that Billy didn't really fight the way he should have by using his footwork and dancing. I thought this would be an area that you would agree with me on but apparantly not. Oh well, it was an amazing win for Canelo. You making excuses for Billy doesn't change that.
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    I think its the reverse GGG is an ATG not Canelo. The majority of boxing people believe GGG beat Canelo TWICE!!!! but Vegas corruption robbed him of the wins. That does NOT make Canelo an ATG, he knows in his heart he lost both fights. GGG doesnt have to fight anyone to make him an ATG he's already EARNED that. GGG could retire tomorrow knowing that the majority of fight fans rate him superior to Canelo
     
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  5. The G-Man

    The G-Man Active Member Full Member

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    The problem with that fight is the 7 th round which was a rather clear round for Golovkin 2 of the judges who had it close score it the either way.
    It just reeked of trying to find a way for him not to lose.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If there was any doubt that Canelo was an ATG, smashing Saunders face in and making him quit on his stool leaves no doubt about that. He didn't need no judges this time did he CJ.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two of the judges gave GGG round 3, which was a rather clear Canelo round. And 2 of the judges gave GGG each rounds 4-6 each of which could have gone either way. These rounds more than make up for the one judge who gave Canelo round 7.
     
  8. m.s.

    m.s. Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well yeah, if Jacobs was the Canelo of the two, he definitely would have got the nod, and his fans would be pretending it was legit and rubbing it in, that is guranteed.
     
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  9. Quina74

    Quina74 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hmm that's a very good point as to why all 3 judges gave it to Canelo.. Apart from no it's not, as judges are notorious for favouring the cash cow (and especially Canelo - incoming denial) and that's just not Canelo. This is historical I'm not sure why you're acting as if judges don't rob fighters frequently.

    And right you're really quoting compubox as an argument as if compubox are historically accurate.. Count the punches and use your eyes and remember inside glove slaps, weak probing shots, and arm/elbow punches are not clean punches.

    And re GGG Canelo round 5 and 6, we have been through this already and you didn't have any valid answers. Yes there were inconclusive shots but there were also many shots that you had an altered reality and were seeing things that weren't there. Add to that you being wowd by Canelos slapping and emphasising these so called clean shots (they weren't) all means you have a clear bias.

    Congratulations the official verdict is a draw and win for Canelo. Fortunately there are actual intelligent people that understand that's a load of trash.

    And dude, stop, you spin everything
     
  10. m.s.

    m.s. Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sometimes leneal is over rated, Martinez wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds with GGG fighting like he did against Cotto. He may not have got out of round one, with his hands down at his sides like that.
     
  11. The G-Man

    The G-Man Active Member Full Member

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    What did that fight have to do with a prime Martinez?
     
  12. m.s.

    m.s. Well-Known Member Full Member

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    These fools have the audacity to not give GGG credit for the Canelo fights. Such Hyenas !!
     
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  13. m.s.

    m.s. Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because your all getting technical about leneal, best wins, all the while you know its bs. By the way GGG would have chewed up prime, hands at his sides Martinez. GGG is better than Pavlik, although Pavlik is good.
     
  14. UltimateDestroyer

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    Utter nonsense, he's well above a Ron Lyle since he dominated and was champ for many years how can he be on Lyle or Mugabi's level?

    Atg for sure
     
  15. UltimateDestroyer

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    And Golovkin is above Hopkins and would wreck him.