Is Golovkin an All Time Great ?

Nah, he isn't. He's beloved, entertaining and a beast head-to-head, but he just didn't do enough to be considered an all-time great. Even at middleweight. Hall of Famer? Without doubt, but there's some difference between getting in the HOF and being an all-time great.

The general idea is that he's a great middleweight because how good he looked vs the people who were put in front of him, he had a long reign and while past his best, he either beat, or ran close, the very best in the division. There's some truth to that, but it's not as simple as that.

I can't believe the amount of people who truly believe he has the longest title reign in middleweight history. He doesn't have twenty odd title defences, he has nine. I highly doubt people consider Trevor Bryan the current WBA heavyweight champion, and I can remember when Canelo was the reg. WBA champ at 168 and nobody considered him champ there. He made nine title defences, which isn't bad, but it isn't creating greatness, on it's own. Rewinning the title, vs Derevyanchenko, at GGG's age was a highly impressive feat, though, IMO.

His résumé is abysmal. Literally dog****. He has two wins who are half decent, and the rest of his wins vs ranked fighters are embarrassing. Jacobs is decent; SD is decent; let's not kid ourselves into propping Lemieux up to be anything more than a one-dimensional slugger, one who lost to Alcine and Rubio, at that; Rubio, Murray, Geale and the rest of that crew are utterly worthless to an all-time great. Even still, you'd have to be pretty uneducated to think Derevyanchenko and Jacobs make you an all-time great.

Yeah, people ducked him. Boo ****ing hoo, everyone elite gets ducked by someone. GGG still doesn't have an all-time great résumé, and let's be frank, beating an old Cotto, an old Sturm, a one-legged Martinez and an unproven Pirog isn't gonna give him one either.

As for the Canelo fights, it's almost like people don't have a ****ing clue what they're watching. The first fight is far from a robbery; if anything, a draw was the correct result. Canelo certainly has his arguments for winning six of the rounds, and GGG has arguments for losing six of them. Making it out to be some shut out for Golovkin that he didn't get is ridiculous. It were extremely close and the only horrible thing about it was the 118-110 scorecard. The second fight is even more laughable to claim is a robbery. GGG being 0-1-1 vs Canelo is far from the worst injustice ever; they're arguably quite fair results. In fairness, the people who think Canelo smashed him and won every round are even more ****ing dim.

 

In fact he doesnt have 9 title fights he has 2.

Both of which he didnt win and I am big fan og GGG.

 

How does he only have two? Jacobs didn't make him lineal, he was never lineal.

 

Exactly.

The only lineal title fights he has are the Canelo ones.Those are two.

 

GGG was never Lineal.

 

Where did I say he was?

 

The guys he fought are not great fighters, but his dominance against guys who were usually not dominated in that way means something. He needs more in my mind to be an legit all time great. Canelo is making more of an impact with a better resume.

 

Not saying you did, just reinforcing that he wasn't.

 

Back in the day the commentators were saying that Proksa was possibly as good as Pirog. Nobody talks about Proksa anymore because Golovkin wrecked his career with a single fight

 

They're not title defences then lol

 

Exactly.

He has never won a REAL title fight.

Which goes both for most modern fighters.

If you really look at it Hopkins never had what he claims 21 title defenses?He won the title with Trinidad and had 6 succesful title defenses and lost it on the 7 th.Or so.

 

GGG will be HOF and could be considered a borderline ATG, if there is such a thing. I personally had him getting the clear decision over Canelo in their first bout, the second fight was a lot closer.

 

I love how the lineal title is important when bashing fighters but when it's oh, say ... Shannon Briggs that has the lineal title it's a phony title that doesn't really mean anything

 

It is important.

But Briggs's complete body of work is weak,his title win was a robbery due to his manager's connections over a 48 year old and he lost it on his first defense.
Thus why.

 

Huh. That's my opinion of both Golovkin / Canelo fights. fancy that.