Is Golovkin in the HOF ?

Maybe so. But do you think Byrds score card wasn't in some kind of la la land.

 

Debatable
Lost to canelo and a draw with canelo wins against jacobs and chenko both of which he didn't dominate. Lemieux and Murray are decent at best kos over a bunch of cans and no hopers. Resume not great and didn't look great against the best fighters he fought in fairness he was past his best when he faced them. Didn't dare to be great and fight ward when he was called out which effects his legacy as well. He will probably get in though.

 

He's definitely a HOFer. I think his resume is weak compared to many HOFers, but he deserves to be a HOFer. I had him beating Canelo in the first fight.

 

One of the Most feared Middleweight we have seen for some time and an Amature record second to none....He is a Ho Famer no question.!!!

 

Undiluted Bull feces GGG won both

 

Cotto walked out of the ring because when the cards were read he realised he never had a chance. GGG behaved just fine after he was robbed of his victory in the first fight, he was a good sport about it. After being robbed twice there was nothing to say. So the difference with the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight was the world disagreed with Pacquiao, but with GGG, the world agreed with GGG as did the media, as addressed numerous times. GGG was being a good sport by leaving the ring. You ever heard the saying, if you don't have anything good to say dont say anything at all? Thats what GGG was doing. As for Canelo he still lies to this day claiming he beat GGG twice and that GGG does not present a challenge. He knows there is much easier work than GGG out there.

 

Never worked that way with me, GGG just beat him fair and square.

 

Cotto never had a chance to retain his title before the fight even started as he chose not to pay the sanctioning fees. So the story you're telling that Cotto was upset at losing his title because the scores were so wide frankly makes no sense. Cotto didn't come close to beating Canelo. You're trying to create controversy where there is none. Cotto lost almost every round to Canelo, he had been defending the MW Crown at catchweights, he chose not to fight for his title by refusing to pay the sanctioning fees. He was obviously not interested in being MW Champ, otherwise he would have paid the sanctioning fees and defended his title. So he has no claim to feeling wronged especially when everyone agreed that he clearly lost.

He wasn't robbed twice or even once. Of course he felt that he won because GGG is entitled since he never tasted defeat and he expected to win no matter what. He refused to admit he lost, which is not uncommon in boxing when a proud fighter loses for the first time but he could have showed some honor and stayed in the ring. It is not honorable to storm out of the ring without giving an interview. He was upset at the decision, he felt like he was robbed but he could have said something to his fans who paid $$ to see him and were in the audience waiting to hear his comments. After the first match, he didn't lose and he retained is title, so he stayed in the ring and said "this is draw" but he could not accept losing. But he did say in a locker room interview that Canelo did in fact fight Mexican Style when asked.

The world is a big place, you do not speak for the entire world. The reaction on social media to GGG losing, many agreed that Canelo did enough to win the rematch. Not as many thought Canelo won the first fight, which was mainly due to the "you have to come foward and take it to the Champ to beat GGG" argument. More people were satisfied that Canelo did that in the rematch, but in reality that whole idea is totally bogus. I am of the view that Canelo beat GGG more clearly in the first fight than he did in the rematch because he didn't allow GGG to hit him with many big shots the first time, as he came out as the ring general outboxing and using his skills to negate the offense of the feared KO artist GGG, which was a better strategy in my opinion. But given the argument that many GGG fans and many in the media made about how Canelo needed to be more aggressive and come forward, and how GGG complaned that Canelo didn't fight Mexican Style, he took it upon himself to give the fans, and GGG the fight that they wanted in the rematch, which caused more people to agree he did enough to win in the rematch than the first time.

Sure I heard that saying and I've used it plenty of times in my life, and GGG had every right to be upset and disapointed at the result, but GGG was all about the Big Drama show, he didn't provide the crowd in attendance any post fight drama now did he? He could have addressed and thanked his fans, congratulated Canelo while saying he thought deserved the win. He could have even demanded a 3rd fight right then and there in the ring. He could have turned to Canelo and said "You didn't beat me, lets do it again". Instead, he just left. By leaving the ring, he put out any claim to victory by not protesting the decision. And he left it all to GGG's fans to argue he was robbed, since he didn't have the stones to claim robbery himself. The lasting impression was seeing GGG walking out the ring into the dressing room with his head held down, bloodied and beaten, the image of a loser more concerned with licking his wounds and getting treatment than claiming victory or giving the fans a Big Post-Fight Drama Show.

I'm not sure he goes around claiming he beat GGG twice, why would he have to? Canelo isn't the type of guy who brags about his wins. He's always respectful of his opponents. When he knocked Amir Khan out cold, he dropped to his knees to check on Khan to see if he was OK. When he folded Kovalev like an accordion he motioned with his hands for the crowd to lower their cheers to make sure Kovalev was OK before celebrating. You trying to claim that Canelo lies about beating GGG is pretty pathetic man, he's done no such thing. And GGG did plenty to insult him, he said he didn't fight Mexican Style after the first fight then GGG accused him of lying about eating contaminated meat even his own trainer Abel Sanchez knew better. GGG is just a big dumb bully who got his comeuppance over 24 rounds vs Canelo. But Canelo never once rubbed it in that he beat GGG or bragged about it. That's not the kind of guy Canelo is. Canelo's a true gentleman and a true sportsman, unlike GGG who doesn't know the meaning of sportsmanship.

As far as Canelo knowing that there's much easier work than GGG out there, sure, that's true. He's already been there, done that. And GGG is older now so he wouldn't even get any credit for beating an older GGG again for a 3rd time. Hell he didn't get any credit for doing what everyone said he wouldn't do. First he would never fight GGG, then he would never fought him at 160. Then he would never beat him. He kept defying the odds and did what you said he couldn't do, beat the boogeyman GGG, and even after all of that fans like you still don't give him any credit for him. So why would he fight GGG again, especially after the disrespect GGG showed him. Canelo doesn't need GGG, GGG needs Canelo. Canelo already conquered that mountain. There's more deserving fighters out there deserve an opportunity. Besides his detractors still argue he fights too many old fighters. Now he's fighting fighters his own age at higher weights. Canelo has pretty much nothing to gain from fighting GGG at this point. Though it still is arguably the biggest fight out there due to GGG having such big raging fanbase who defends him through hell or high water. So who knows, but I just personally don't think either of them really want the fight bad enough. From GGG's perspective, I really don't think he wants that work at this point. Canelo has only gotten better since their two wars, and a 3rd fight vs Canelo for GGG at his advanced age would surely damage him and permanently end his career.

 

He's saying this...
- In the N. America they hate GGG. So this has has the ironic effect of prolonging GGG's career with big fights.
- Outside of N. America they have stopped giving a **** about GGG because he failed to put down Canelo before he got old.
- Aside from wanting him exposed (again) after the Lara fight - nobody really ever gave a **** about Canelo outside of the Western hemisphere.

He can correct me if I am wrong - but I believe that that is all that he is saying.

 

In so called Western hemisphere too a lot of boxing fans doesn't gave a ******* about Canelo.
It is Mexico and U.S where he is well known and espeically Nevada and Vegas.
Germany and France are considered as western hemisphere, I didn't had noticed that ppl from these countries had high interest about Canelo and also GGG. Not alone that dreams: like ppl in europe hates canelo, this is nonsense agenda for canelo fans in forums.
He isn't so popular in EU countries as ppl in internet are thinking.
Not alone in Russia and GGG is from Kazahstan not from Russia. This does matters a lot.

 

Oh, and one more thing I didn't mention in the above.

Canelo playing around at SMW has hit the "pause" button for the whole damned MW division. There's less interest in the MW division than any time I can remember in the last 35 years. That's not a good thing for promoters because traditionally there's a hell of a lot more interest in the MW division worldwide than SMW. I'm sure Eddie is real happy that he took on that partnership with GB for Canelo because the only interest in Canelo outside N. America @ SMW was the Callum Smith fight - and that fight proved to be a joke when one of Smith's biceps wound up tucked in his damned armpit after a couple of rounds.

 

- Five rounds for Jacobs? Tell me which ones. Not that it matters - because they should have been wheeling GGG to the neurological ward at Columbia Presbyterian hospital by fight's end given all the extra weight that was Jacobs carrying....
- I agree that Lemiuex is no great fighter. But he stood there with GGG and committed to landing his best punches before getting blasted out of there. That's a hell of a lot more admirable, IMO, than what Jacobs tried to do. And you know what? Lemiuex made his damend contracted weight and everybody knows that's a much bigger struggle for David L. than it is for Danny J.
- I would have liked to see Lara fighting GGG - maybe back in 2014. It's true that Lara deserved to win some close decisions that he lost (e.g. Canelo) but Lara looked confused against Castano for the first 2/3rds of that fight and he wouldn't even open up on journeyman Greg Vendetti last summer. People outside of N. America might feel sorry for Lara now - but there's no interest in him fighting anybody any more. He probably could win a fight against GGG by running around a lot...but the judges would probably hand GGG the victory, anyhow, just to keep a 3rd big fight viable with Canelo. So - guess what - I just admitted that the system can be rigged in GGG's favor sometimes - does that make you happy now?

 

Canelo has said he beat GGG twice already many of times, and that GGG no longer presents a challenge. I'm not making this up.

 

I would say yes. He tied Hopkins middleweight all time title defense record, 20 title defenses (18) by KO between his regular and super titles. He is 11-1-1 (9) KO'S vs Ring magazine top 10 contenders. Caused Unified Champ Daniel Geale to give up his belt out of fear. Caused Ring Magazine Champ Canelo Alvarez to give up his WBC belt out of fear postponing there fight for 1.5 years, should have been stripped of the Ring mag title as well. 23 fight KO streak full of highlight reel KO'S.

 

He is but not first ballot