Is Golovkin's reign better than Hopkins?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know that GGG's reign is not over and still ongoing. Until he either loses, retires or vacates his belts at 160. That said it's been going on for a while now. The last time we had a long reigning MW champion was Bernard Hopkins.

    Let's start with Hopkins. Here's the CV.

    -Segundo Mercado
    -Steve Frank
    -Joe Lipsey
    -William Bo James
    -John David Jackson
    -Glen Johnson
    -Andrew Council
    -Simon Brown
    -Robert Allen
    -Robert Allen
    -Antwun Echols
    -Syd Vanderpool
    -Antwun Echols
    -Keith Holmes
    -Felix Trinidad
    -Carl Daniels
    -Morrade Hakkar
    -William Joppy
    -Robert Allen
    -Oscar De La Hoya
    -Howard Eastman

    Now for Golovkin. Here's the CV.

    -Milton Nunez
    -Nilson Julio Tapia
    -Kassim Ouma
    -Lajuan Simon
    -Makoto Fuchigami
    -Grzegorz Proksa
    -Gabriel Rosado
    -Nobuhiro Ishida
    -Matthew Macklin
    -Curtis Stevens
    -Osumanu Adama
    -Daniel Geale
    -Marco Antonio Rubio
    -Martin Murray
    -Willie Monroe Jr.
    -David Lemiuex
    -Dominic Wade
    -Kell Brook
    -Daniel Jacobs
    -Canelo Alvarez

    Who do you give the edge to here? To me GGG takes it. And if he successfully defends his titles against BJS it's over.
     
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  2. kirk

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    Golovkin barely edged out Jacobs and Canelo.

    I rate Trinindad over Canelo and Johnson over Jacobs... and Hopkins dominated n stopped both.

    I rate the Hoya win slightly above Brook win (Hoya was past prime, Brook was primed out)

    I dont know enough about hopkins other opponents to really judge the rest... but seeing as how I view Hopkins outdoing 3 of Gs best wins, does the rest of Gs resume outweigh Hopkins's enough to compensate for that? I doubt it but like I said I dont know the pre Tito era very well.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I put Jacobs and Canelo above all Hopkins opponents here, Trinidad wasn`t any good in his fight against Hopkins at middle same for De La Hoya, I feel those two would be beaten by BJS also so I have to agree with you.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    DLH is smaller than Brook. Also past prime when he fought Hopkins. But p4p DLH is a better fight. That said they were both WW's and insignificant wins IMO.

    I rate Trinidad high p4p. But H2H he loses to Jacobs clearly. Against Canelo I see Canelo taking it at 160.

    I don't know a whole lot about Hopkins defenses either, but GGG seems to have better consistency once he came to America. Whereas Hopkins was defending against guys that were total nobodies.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    No, it isn't. The reason is that he didn't beat Canelo and only beat Jacobs by about a point. Hopkins dominated guys like Tito ans Keith Holmes. Really, there's very little separating Golovkins 0-1-1 against Jacobs and Canelo compared to Hopkins loses to Jermain Taylor at a more advanced age.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm asking about a title reign. You have to beat a champion to stop his reign and Canelo didn't do that. Not on the fixed cards and not in actual reality either.
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't rate Glen Johnson all that much. He was a plodder who racked up UD losses. Yes he was undefeated when he fought Hopkins, but that was his first world title fight. He lost his next two fights after Hopkins. Losing became his thing when he fought the best Middleweights in the world.

    Danny Jacobs has lost twice and they were to elite fighters.
     
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  8. STEPHEN1990

    STEPHEN1990 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    de la hoya Trinidad were welters Holmes was on the decline and Jackson was coming off a loss to a trash can and Daniels is trash others ok wins but Hopkins middle weight record has many holes
     
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  9. kirk

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    Ya we just disagree here... no biggie.

    I think Tito UDs Canelo... a Jacobs fight is maybe 50 50 but I lean towards Tito to win a UD. Jacobs win is possible though. Difference is Hopkins pitched a career defining performance against Tito and many people (not me) had G losing to Jacobs.

    As for Jacobs tho... I would take Johnson over him head to head and I rate him a better win... and again here Hopkins dominated him.

    As for Hoya and Brook. There is no case in the world I can see made for ranking a Brook win over a Hoya win... even if that Hoya was past it. The G fight has been Brooks lone performance above welterweight. Hoya had a fairly succesful 154lb run. I would also take the Hoya Hopkins beat to edge out the Brook G beat.

    So again I rate Tito Johnson and Hoya over Jacobs Canelo and Brook.

    So we disagree here quite a bit but Ill be reading with interest to the rest of the thread. Fun topic.
     
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  10. STEPHEN1990

    STEPHEN1990 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    golovkin fought the best guys that would fight him and am pretty sure Hopkins didn't have that problem he just fought trash I mean he fought Allen twice
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He fought Allen 3 times.
     
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  12. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Hell no... Cmon now, GGG has no marquee wins. Lol

    Hopkins>GGG
     
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  13. STEPHEN1990

    STEPHEN1990 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Twice was bad enough lol and then fights Jackson coming off a loss to a trash can and them title fights are part of his great reign
     
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  14. drenlou

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    Yep. De La Hoya wasn't past in 2004, it was just 160 wasn't his weight class and he was outta shape against Sturm which explained his bad performance as well. That's said Oscar was a great scalp for Hopkins.
     
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  15. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    GGG's best wins have been massacred the likes of Geale and Murray were easily disposed of by Renold Quinlan and Arthur Abraham and some of you have the cheek to say CEJ fought bums?

    Its funny when fighters give GGG problems like Brook and Willie Monroe people genuinely think they must be killers because of how well they did against GGG? Next minute they are getting thrashed left and right and quitting from the punishment.

    I don't think Jacobs win will age well and he didn't even beat Canelo so you can't add him
     
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