Is Golovkin's reign better than Hopkins?

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  1. STEPHEN1990

    STEPHEN1990 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't know probably because they had the most success at welter
     
  2. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    GGG is my favorite fighter, i'm biased towards him. That said, hes there for the taking now. I'd easily pick him over the talent at 160 now if he was the same as 3/4 yrs ago, but hes not. Canelo fight and pack it in. BJS could fiddle his way to a ud over him and Jacobs ! He reminds me of Hagler at the end of his career, everything seems that little bit harder to execute and hes started pushing his punches !
     
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  3. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    Rather bombastic of you, Pimp. Surely you don't think it's that wide of a gap.
     
  4. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Jacobs doesn't have the fluidity to give Hopkins problems, in my opinion. He'd be out fought outside, and mugged inside. Probably be run into numerous lead right hands.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    I like lineal reigns.

    The reasons for this is that to become a lineal champion, the fighter either has to beat the lineal champion, or fight the other top fighter in his weight class to start a new lineage.

    Lineage is far from perfect. For example, establishing who the two best fighters in the world at any given time are is difficult. A matter of opinion. But on the other hand, you can't become it without beating a fighter who is widely perceived as the best or one of the best in that division.

    Golovkin has never done that.

    That doesn't mean he isn't the best fighter in the division - he is - nor does it mean that his paper reign is meaningless - it isn't - but in being asked specifically to judge title reigns i'll always go for the lineal guy.

    So it's Hopkins by a mile for me.
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lineage is not tangible therefore it doesn't exist.
     
  7. mandatory

    mandatory Nuthugger Crusher Full Member

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    Im a huge GGG fan but I think Hopkins took on bigger better names.. Differen times though so debatable.. I think the Trinidad domination was HUGE.. Also, Johnson and DLH... But its debatable.. GGG has fought some really good and underrated fighters and made them look ordinary.. Hopkins however won his big test in Trinidad without questions.. GGG draw Canelo controversy or not. Just my opinion. Two great champs.. BTW wouldve loved to see a GGG vs Bhop fight
     
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  8. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    The lineal argument that McGrain makes does not hold a lot of weight, especially when Canelo and Cotto were lineal middleweight champs recently. It means something when guys like Hopkins does it, for sure. But it shouldn't be held against someone like GGG when he had 3/4 of the major titles and all he wanted was a fight with Sergio/Cotto/Canelo since 2012/2013 to become lineal.
     
  9. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    You think Tito could beat Canelo at 160? For me El Ginge has enough in his locker to get the W there. Johnson and Jacobs is also a pick 'em and whilst ODLH even past prime was better than Brook he was also naturally a lot lighter.

    Neith B-Hop or GGG could hang with a prime, motivated Marvellous one IMO but I don't think there's much if anything in their resumes. Hopkins being an American and retired seems to get the benefit of the doubt though.
     
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  10. BCS8

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    I'm not a big fan of the so-called lineal title. It means very little when determining the quality of a champion.

    Briggs was lineal. I guess he'd beat a guy like Vitali like a drum, right?

    Leon Spinks was lineal. Watch out Joshua, good thing you never met this monster!!!

    And then you get a guy like Povetkin, who has a deeper resume than probably anybody at HW right now, who's never even been a champion.
     
  11. BCS8

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    I think they could. Not saying they should be favoured, but I think they'd be competitive.

    Yes.
     
  12. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Hopkins didn't have the workrate and would have been outmuscled whereas pre-Sanchez GGG would have been too patient as lost on the cards looking for the perfect shot and 'Mexican style' GGG would have been outmanned in a classic.
     
  13. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    *Ahem* Adonis 'POS' Stevenson *Ahem*.
     
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  14. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The "lineal" argument is pure nonsense, it has no official status and lineal "status" is just made up and twisted by fanboys to suit their preconceived agenda. The whole original point of it was to recognise the "rightful" champion. However, realistically it legitimises ducking and it loses any meaning when you get some idiots suggesting that someone who has never fought a middleweight fight should be considered the rightful champion over someone who has hammered half the division because they won a single catchweight fight.
     
  15. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Exactly. Was going to say the same. Lineal is nice but it is just as corrupted and political (and therefor, needs to be taken with a grain of salt, just like everything else in boxing)